Feb 27, 2012
“Is Arctic ice in a death spiral? Maybe not yet, but it’s in big trouble,” Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, recently told ABC News,
Two years ago it was in a death spiral, but it got better.
Sep 20, 2010
“I stand by my previous statements that the Arctic summer sea ice cover is in a death spiral. It’s not going to recover,” Serreze said.
Arctic Ice in Death Spiral – IPS ipsnews.net
I’ve done some digging (not enough though) in atmospheric moisture and I am not convinced that moisture currently in the atmosphere is unprecedented, even within the Holocene. What about when all the huge glaciers that were melting 18K to 8K YBP drastically increasing the surface area of the planet covered by water as sea level rose 370 feet? The Mississippi was 300 miles wide and the huge land mass between Cuba and Mexico was literally washed away by the enormous currents created by the Mississippi ejecting billions of gallons of water into the GOM over thousands of years. Much of the the Midwest was under water as a new lake formed on the great plains so evaporation had to have increased dramatically. I guess modern day climate scientists feel those days were examples of “stable climate”.
I would love to see a study which would measure the damage to current population and property if the same amount of melted water that occurred in the Early Holocene had occurred today. Heck the cost of New Orleans being swept into the Gulf of Mexico from thousands of years of violent flooding alone would cost more than the total of all climate losses today. How about the 100 year+ drought in the Southwest USA that wiped out the Anasazi. Imagine the loss of life and property if it happened today. Why are so many climate scientists pretending that climate up until now, has been stable and unthreatening to man?
I wish the journalist had at a minimum asked Liu if he felt that the current atmospheric moisture is unprecedented?
Wow that is an impressive walkback…