A friend sent this over. It is pretty funny.
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is about 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1988 - Najib Mahfooz Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 - Elias James Corey 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 1999 - Ahmed Zewai Economics: (zero) Physics: (zero) Medicine: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 1998 - Ferid Mourad TOTAL: 7
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics: 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Ken neth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M.. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Robert Fogel Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stan ley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis 1996- Lu RoseIacovino TOTAL: 129
nobel committee jews, nobel prize 1946:hermann joseph muller
Steve – have you seen this?:
http://unitedwithisrael.org/israel-develops-cancer-vaccine/
P.S. In the past 1,000 years only about 10,000 books have been translated into Arabic – equivalent to the number of books translated in Spain each year.
Oh no! The international Jewish conspiracy has taken over the Nobel committees! /sarc off – Actually a stunning indictment of the Islamic world. It’s a shame as Islam was once the beacon of civilization and learning (relative to the Christian world).
But then if you control the presenting Board, the professions etc….
Kissinger getting the peace prize should be a tipoff
I do have to wonder why in the last decade, no Jews have won a Nobel Prize. At the risk of sounding paranoid, I submit that it is probably the result of the pernicious anti-Israel/anti-semitic sentiment that pervades much of the Third World and Mideast.
I don’t think the above list includes anything after 2000.
It pervades NYC, Washington, London, and Paris. All the smartest, most wonderful, most tolerant people hate Jews. It’s as chic and fashionable as socialism.
Yup.
But Moose Limbs invented algebra in 3500 B.C. And gunpowder. And they had toll roads in Atlantis that connected Mu & Hyborea.
The Nobel Prize was discredited as politically biased long ago, even before Al “Earth’s core is millions of degrees, honest!” Gore and Barack Obama got theirs.
“Much is made in our histories about Arabic science, but little note is taken from whom they derived that science, and the circumstances under which the Jews, scientists among them, were forced to convert to Islam.”
“There was no scientific tradition in the Arabian deserts from which mercenary Arab armies rampaged across the Near East, across Egypt and into Libya in 694. The Jews had been long established in North Africa. Eight Berber tribes converted to Judaism, and under their heroic Queen Kahena, liberated Libya. “Lions of Africa and Judah,” the queen shouted to her troops, “show these Arabs that we will never be enslaved by Islam… Let our slogan be the cry of the Zealots of old: ‘Freedom or death!’”
“The earliest of these savants were known as Jews. A great physician, Isaac Israeli of Kairouan, was an Egyptian Jew who had emigrated to West Africa, and brought his science with him. He was known to the European scholars as Isaac Judaeus (Isaac the Jew). His surviving works include a treatise on logic, On Definitions, and another treatise on Aristotelian physics, On the Elements. His great work on Pharmacology, translated into Latin under the title De Gradibus Simplicum, is of extraordinary importance for medical history. It became the standard work on the subject for a considerable time, and was the foundation for most of the subsequent medieval works on the subject.”
“He was described by a contemporary as a man of the highest character, who, although much occupied about Court, was indifferent to wealth and personal advancement… To Israeli belongs the credit of having introduced scientific medicine into Northern Africa, and his writings… exercised no small influence on medieval western medicine.”
“It was from Isaac Israeli that the greatest of “Arab” scientists, Avicenna (980-1037), drew inspiration. He is commonly regarded by historians as Arabic because he wrote only in Arabic, because he was a physician to several sultans, and because he became a vizier in Hamadan, Persia, where he died. Avicenna, referred to as the “Aristotle of the East,” was born near Bokhara, then heavily populated by Jews, and was probably of Jewish origin.”
http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/medicine11.html
Arabic scientist always seemed like an oxymoron.
The point is that Islam embraced learning and knowledge and preserved it through the dark ages of Europe. The mathematician Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khwarizmi of algorithm, algebra, etc fame comes to mind as an Islamic non Jew of great accomplishments.
But not without the help of the Jews. Muslims did not have scholars of the calibre of Isaac Judaeus, which is why he was employed by them, not because Mohammad was a fan. The Arab enlightenment was lit by Jews.
We all “stand on the shoulders of giants”. The Muslims and subjugated Jews were the preservers and benefactors of Greek and Roman knowledge. Even the most primitive society can advance remarkably in a few generations under the right conditions. Unfortunately the converse is true: civilizations can deteriorate in a few generations also. So we should never be complacent that our western civilization will endure without constant vigilance.
Agreed. Except that the Romans also learned much from the Jews, who of course had longer ‘tradition’, and are still global.
Islam didn’t embrace learning and knowledge – read The Closing of the Muslim Mind, also books on The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages (I think this is the title of the book I read). As these works show, Arabs who wished to study science had to have strong patrons – otherwise they could be killed or exiled (as was Averroes).
PS: delete “books on” above – I didn’t proof my final version carefully enough.
Yes, but these is nothing at all in this post about the “Nobel Committee” and its make-up. I’d be willing to bet that it is overwhelmingly Jewish. Does it make me a “racist” or an “anti-Semite” to wonder that? If it had been 129 Italians, I’d be betting that the the make-up was overwhelmingly Italian. Also, it is a well known fact that “internationalist” organizations such as those associated with the Nobel have always been dominated by people who identify themselves as “Jewish” (whatever that means.) This list is totally bogus and indicates nothing other than the fact that the people who hand out Nobels are Judeophiles, beholden to Judaics, or Judaics themselves. Anybody got a problem with the free exercise of speech? Most Americans are fed up with the Jews and what they have done to our country, and NONE of them are “anti-Semitic,” just observant of how down hill this country has gone since it became Jewish after WWII (cf. “The Jewish Century” by Jew Yuri Slezkine.) Plus, Kissinger got a Nobel! Obama! Nobels are MEANINGLESS political awards given to those who serve the interests of the internationalist (Jewish) Establishment.
All those Norwegian Jews eh ……
Look at the thriving “Zionist” movement in Norway. You have likes of Zionist-terrorist Anders Brevik who murdered 60-some children on behalf of Israel. So I think it takes a lot of Chutzpah to pretend like Judaics do not have massive influence all over Europe, including Scandinavia.
You should have lived in Germany in the 1930s. You would have fit right in.
Especially as a memeber of the National Socialist Party.
Also, being a “Jew” has nothing to do with race or religion, I should have said. People are “Jews” by choice so when I say “who on the nobel committee is a ‘jew,’” we should be clear that I include racial “gentiles” in this too. A “Jew” is anyone who believes that religious Judaics are “God’s chosen people” or that they deserve special consideration or that they are somehow not the same as “non-Jews.” So, by my definition, Hitler was a Jew. So, you’re stock-Hasbara jab about “move to 1930′s europe,” dated and ridiculous as it sounds, really has no bearing. Americans are waking up to has happened to our country and who has been primarily responsible, I think that is a good thing. And it doesn’t make us racists or “anti-Semites” to point out the fact that Judaics and “Jews” have been running America into the ground for 60 years. Thousand more everyday discover this truth. i have no ill -will toward “Jews” or Judaics, I pity them all and hope they come to Jesus before Americans find out what “Israel” has done to us and take it out on innocent Judaics. Make no mistake that when the backlash happens it will be “jews” like Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly leading the attacks against ethnic and religious Judaics. thanks, btw, for not pulling out the meaningless “anti-Semite” card. It’s so refreshing, even though you did trot out the old “Nazi Hitler” canard that gets so much laughter from thinking people these days.
Right. Hitler wasn’t an anti-Semite either. He was just protecting Germany from the Zionist conspiracy
ROFLMAO
Kind of like living in Israel in the 2010′s.
Right, and I am sure that some of your best friends are Jewish, too. You are a bigoted asshole.
@Ian: “Zionist-terrorist Anders Brevik who murdered 60-some children on behalf of Israel”
Are you kidding me? Brevik was crazy, simple as that. The closest thing he had to religion was being a freemason. To say he murdered those people on behalf of Israel is an absolutely sickening comment.
No, Hitler was an anti-Semite, no doubt about it. Anyone who hates a Judaic person on the basis of their “race” is an anti-Semite. But a Jew can be an anti-Semite just as much as a non-Jew, you would agree with that, right? If not, then why do so many Judaic persons refer to their fellow Judaics who disagree with them as “anti-semites” and Nazis? The word “anti-Semite” today means “someone who a Jew hates.” So, even under that definition, Hitler was certainly an anti-Semite. Me? No way. I don’t hate anyone, and if I did, it certainly wouldn’t be based on race. I oppose the relgion of Judaism based on morality. How can any moral person support a religion that preaches the extermination of all non-members or that all non-members only exist to serve members? That is what the “Jewish” religion (Babylonian Talmudism) teaches: unadulterated racism and hate. How can any humanitarian NOT oppose Judaism?
Then there’s Christianity: how can any moral person worship a god who casts souls into eternal torment?
@Sleepalot: God doesn’t cast souls into eternal torment. Since we have free will, souls that go to hell do so of their own choosing. As my former pastor (now retired) once said, “You can go to hell … if you want”.
Ian certainly isn’t up on Norway’s relations to the PA and suchlike. (Where was the Oslo Agreement signed?)
I think we have another ‘Tin-Foil Hat’ award recipient in our midst.
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
These are just awful Nobels. Also, Bellows, Singer, Pasternak, and Brodsky are so overrated it’s incredible. Economics isn’t even worth giving a Nobel for, but the Friedmans and the Krugmans of the world do more harm than good. It’s harder to judge the sciences, but Tesla and Heisenberg’s absence from Physics should tell you something. The Nobel Prize is political and overrated. The one Jewish writer who deserved one, Ayn Rand, didn’t get one. How many science awards did Nazi Germany rack up? Quite a few I bet. Nobody defends Nazi Germany, because the amount of destruction they participated in offsets their contributions. The neutron bomb is a clever invention, but does nothing to advance the theory of a positive Jewish contribution that requires the conquest of Muslims to reward. What about Jewish pornographers and arms dealers? What percentage of criminals are Jewish as opposed to Muslims?
Hitler might have won the war if he hadn’t scared all of the Jewish scientists and Polish mathematicians to America.
All it would’ve taken is a mild winter in European Russia in 1941.
Here are confinement figures from Great Britain 2003…
“PRISON FAITHS
Anglican 26,055
No religion 22,584
Roman Catholic 12,750
Muslim 6,136
Other Christian 2,239
Free Church 1,418
Buddhist 947
Sikh 490
Hindu 339
Other non-Christian 207
Jewish 184
Source: Prison Service. June 2003″
That just means they didn’t get caught – thus proving they’re smarter than average!
The “Peace” nobels should have been left off both lists as they are hopelessly politically compromised. Prizes for literature are likewise probably slanted towards western literature and the awarding is quite subjective. While politics may play in the science Nobels, there is no denying the disproportionate of Jewish science Nobels vs. science Nobels from the Islamic world. As for Ian’s odious and bizarre views, unfortunately they are too common.
2.000 ppm
Does it imply Jews are more intelligent and hence their oppression of Palestinians should be overlooked. Does receiving a Nobel prize make someone a better human being. How many of these Jews do you suppose would have received Nobel prizes if they hadn’t had any access to the western (christian) infrastructure – universities, institutions, labs, funding etc. Without western financial support do you suppose Jewish Israel would be able to even feed its people. How come so many Jews received Nobel prizes in economics if their economic system had impoverished the world and turned everyone into a debt slave. How come Israeli Jewish leaders received Nobel peace prizes if they supported the occupation of Palestine and mass murder and imprisonment of its people. You cannot and should not compare an apple and a tomato. Nobel Prize means nothing. Let us go beyond this Nobel prize propaganda. Let us face the reality, let us leave the Palestinians alone, let us learn to live in peace with our neighbors. Let us stop this nonsense for people are no longer fooled by such antics anymore.
“…by his youth Feynman described himself as an “avowed atheist”.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman
I guess when you are still living in the 7th century, there can’t be much that hasn’t already been discovered.
“Ian says:
December 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Also, being a “Jew” has nothing to do with race or religion, I should have said. People are “Jews” by choice so when I say “who on the nobel committee is a ‘jew,’” we should be clear that I include racial “gentiles” in this too. ”
That’s what Humpty Dumpty said: “a word means precisely what I want it to mean – nothing more and nothing less.”
Just updated your listing which covered Nobles until 1996
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
about 20% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 – Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 – Elias James Corey
1994 – Yaser Arafat:
1999 – Ahmed Zewai
Economics:
(zero)
Physics:
(zero)
Medicine:
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is
about 0.02% of the world’s population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – William Howard Stein
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1989 – Sidney Altman
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1995 – Martin Perl
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Ken neth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M.. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Robert Fogel
2002 – Daniel Kahneman
2005 – Robert Aumann
Medicine:
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stan ley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
1996 – Lu RoseIacovino
Chemistry
2004 – Aaron Ciechanover
2004 – Irwin Rose
2006 – Roger Kornberg
2008 – Ada E. Yonath
2008 – Martin Chalfi
2011 – Daniel Shechtman
Updated: TOTAL: 138
Since the Jews are disproportionately rich and smart, they are going to get disproportionately blamed and hated when things don’t go well.
Jesus was a Jew and the last time I checked the Old Testament is a large part of the Christian religion. The main difference between Christians and Jews were that when Jews heard Jesus say to feed them with his body and blood, they took him literally and thought he was advocating cannibalism. You can’t blame them for that.
Thank you for that!
To quote Rowan Atkinson:
“I’m afraid the Jews were right”
Actually, that was probably written by Richard Curtis or Ben Elton.
Economics isn’t even worth giving a Nobel for,
There is no Nobel for economics. There is a prize given in the memory of Albert Nobel for economics and many people just incorrectly shorten it to ‘a nobel in economics’.
(Trying to figure out what the % of world population VS % of Nobles is arguing about how many Angels dance on the head of a pin so I’ll leave ya all to that.)
That is funny, because they are all men except for an estimated 5 or 6 women (I’m unfamiliar with some of the names) out of 20.02% of the worlds population.
All that this proves is that statistics can be used to be very misleading.
Men are obviously more intelligent and peaceful than women are /Bad joke lmao
Steven Goddard casts the net and . . . the crowd goes wild! He’s caught enough neo-nazi trolls to call himself the champion of troll-baiting once again.
It is disturbing. Not unexpected, but still…disturbing.
Well since I was going to do the calculation anyway:
129/14000000=9.214e-6
7/1200000000=5.833e-9
ratio: 1580:1
Seems low.
And the ratio of islamic women Nobel laureates to…. Oh, nevermind.
The discrepancy in Nobel Prize winners (Jews V Muslims), of the 800 given out so far, Jews have won 20% – per population this is more than any other country or religion on Earth, so to highlight just the Muslim part is very disingenuous. Why not say Buddhists? Catholics? Protestants? South Africans? Australians? Canadians? They all run second to Jews. Good on ‘em and who cares?
Kim
“LLAP says”
The most basic problem with appologetics is that it’s self-defeating: LLAP speaks on
“God’s” behalf because “God” can’t speak for himself – because “He” does not exist.
“God doesn’t cast souls into eternal torment.”
In reality, that’s true since “God”does not exist, there’s no such thing as a “soul” etc..
In terms of Christian theology it’s of course a blatant lie, and stands as a demonstration of Appologetics in practice.
Rule #1 Lie. Swear black is white. There is no doctrine, no principle, nothing a Christian wouldn’t immeadiately throw under a bus if it might gain him even the smallest of imagined “victories.” “You shall not bear false witness” is just an empty
phrase to a Christian – but it doesn’t matter because LLAP was lying about the wrong thing.
“Since we have free will, souls that go to hell do so of their own choosing.”
Here you see that it takes great minds centuries of philosophising to discover that
“God” is not responsible for his actions: “He” just makes the rules, the players and
the pitch! I mean, come on! It’s not like “He’s” omniscient, is it?
“As my former pastor (now retired) once said, “You can go to hell … if you want”. ”
Right, so that’s appeal to false authority and appeal to fear. Nice.
But the trouble with all that is that because LLAP didn’t understand the accusation, he failed to defend it – in fact he admitted the major premise – Hell.
“Eternal torment” is the antithesis of justice and mercy. Your average Christian doesn’t see that because your average Christian has got the moral sense of a three year-old.
The god of the Christians is an unjust, unmerciful monster. Christians should be ashamed to worship such a monster, but they are shameless.
(Oh there’s going to be some name-calling now!)
@Sleepalot: “Oh there’s going to be some name-calling now”
Actually, there won’t be … on my part, at least. That isn’t what a good Christian does. God bless you
.
That was cruel.
Funny how some folks are biblical scholars by observing from afar. Eternal torment is the separation of man and God. The fire and brimstone stuff went out with the blacksmiths. Hopefully God will bless Sleepalot, and soothe his anger.
@Gator: “Eternal torment is the separation of man and God”
Exactly … and we separate ourselves from Him of our own free will.
“The fire and brimstone stuff went out with the Blacksmiths.”
Proving my point about no doctrine being sacred to a Christian: they prefer to “pick n mix” their theology.
I take it you don’t believe in God there, Sleepalot????
No sleepalot, we are just are not infallible, like you.
Also, we can admit when we have been wrong or mislead (see above). We learn from our mistakes, even generationally, and implement proper reformation after much reflection.
I hope God blesses you and soothes your anger. Why be a hater?
“No true Scotsman” fallacy, and more pious than “Jesus”.
Matt 23:13