Debunking the Lies of the AMS. Guest post By Joe Bastardi
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Okay lets go point by point in the first paragraph of their lies
AMS statement : How is climate changing?
Earth’s climate is now unambiguously warming, according to many different kinds of evidence. Observations show increases in globally averaged air and ocean temperatures, as well as widespread melting of snow and ice and rising globally averaged sea level. Temperature data for Earth as a whole, including readings over both land and ocean, show an increase of about 0.8°C (1.4°F) over the period 1901-2010 and about 0.5°C (0.9°F) over the period 1979-2010 (the era for which satellite-based temperature data are routinely available). Due to natural variability, not every year is warmer than the preceding year globally, but every decade since the 1970s has been warmer than the previous decade. All of the 10 warmest years in the global temperature records up to 2011 have occurred since 1997, with 2005 and 2010 being the warmest two years on record in more than a century of global records. The warming trend is greatest in northern high latitudes, over land, and at night. In the U.S., most of the observed warming has occurred in the West and in Alaska; for the nation as a whole, the last decade has seen more than twice as many record daily high temperatures as record daily low temperatures.
Joe’s response : Here are the last 15 years of global temps and then 3 year trend since the pdo flipped along with the co2 continued rise
The temperature at 400 mb where the IPCC trapping hot spot was supposed to occur is 3rd coldest in the last 10 years, after having said a record low earlier this year ( aqua line)
Northern hemispheric snow is well above normal As it responds to the PDO flip
global sea ice is slightly above normal
the Norwegian site has the northern hemisphere near the 30 yr running mean ( slightly above)
The US site a bit below
[Even NSIDC is now showing ice near normal]
but obviously we are not going to be ice free this summer and will not even drop as low as last year, which DID NOT ACCORDING TO REALITY drop to levels seen in 2007.
Finally the southern hemisphere is ABOVE NORMAL which is why global sea ice is near normal
and by the way, in spite of all the warmth in the US this winter, the global temp is STILL BELOW NORMAL for the year
EVERY ONE OF YOUR POINTS ON TEMPS AND ICE ARE WRONG
There has been no major sea level rise and to the contrary, since the PDO shift its fallen. Rises in the equatorial west pacific ARE BECAUSE OF THE LA NINA AND THE TRADES BEING STRONGER THAN NORMAL, PILING WARM WATER UP.
Whats more you seem oblivious to what is forecasted to happen this fall and winter by the very climate models you seem to put all your faith in
Fall
winter
With the winter that is coming, what are you going to say after that.. Oh I know, you will use the same nonsense you did after we got hammered in 09-10. Its climate change
Such drivel in the face of facts on your part makes me glad I never joined the AMS. Whats more its members should ask in the face of the reality we are facing, why would anyone put out such a piece of nonsense unless they had not looked at what is going on , or were simply assuming its members would not
If you think this is cherry picking, its because the orchard is loaded!
joe bastardi on climate
I would like to use in my book, that sentence; ”If you think this is cherry picking, its because the orchard is loaded”
Apart of that; need to point out that: it’s Warmist theology to use: when is less ice on the polar caps = is because is warmer. Skeptical people should avoid using Warmist hypocrisy. The amount of ice on the polar caps has NOTHING to do with the temp, but all depends on the ”availability of raw material” in the atmosphere, for the renewal of ice deficit. Ice on the land is melted by the geothermal heat, from below; day and night, summer and winter (as on Antarctic).
Ice on Arctic’s water is melted, from below / much more. That ice is seating on salty seawater – salty water melts ice on BELOW zero C temp, easy. Ice constantly sacrifices some of itself, to create some freshwater and keep itself away from the salty water. Therefore, the stronger the currents = needs to constantly sacrifice more and more of itself. As Sahara is growing in strength -> more evaporation in Mediterranean sea -> needs to get more water from Arctic via Mexican Gulf (Gulf-stream). B] 80% of the water from Russian rivers drains into the Arctic. That freshwater spreads on the top of the heavier salty water and protects the ice – less water from Russian rivers = less protection. South of the water catchment areas for those Russian rivers is almost dry; the biggest inland sea, the Aral… nothing to do with ant stupid / phony GLOBAL warming!!!
Because of the aggressive Warmist propaganda; everybody is ignoring the real facts, and barking up the wrong tree. On the polar caps is enough coldness, to build up another 12km thick ice, on the top of the existing one, in one season. Average temp is much, much colder than in your deep freezer. Experiment: take 2 big freezers, put in one of them, one liter of water / in the other, put 20 bottles of water. End result: both freezers same temps, but different amounts of ice. Not complicated, is it?
C] permafrost is -40C BELOW FREEZING, but no ice. Because is no raw material the winds to bring and by freeze-drying the air, to create ice. That ”raw material for creation of ice” is declared as bad for the climate; by all Warmist and most fake Skeptics… tragic. What is the raw material for ice, that is the question
Thanks Joe…. what I find fascinating is the AMS found the need to state that the earth is “unambiguously” warming after the fact that any warming over the last 15 years is ambiguous. …… well, hiding…. or non-existent…. depending on one’s perspective. The ice is riotous! Where’s the circle of doom now?
But, what I find most interesting, is a topic I care less about. The summer sea ice. With the shift in the PDO, and the vagueness of the Arctic oscillation… I think this will be a great learning year……. after watching for a bit, I expect increases in not only thickness but extent, as well. Things can change, and I expect us to warm a bit during the summer. But, I don’t expect the arctic to warm that much. It will be interesting…….after which, we’ll find errors in our satellites and adjust the data.
the reason to go to the icecap is to kick them in the teeth with their own medicine
If they want to use the metric, then they need to be accountable.
They made a big deal of the shrinking in 07 while the southern hemisphere ice hit a record high. I am not disagreeing with your point, but the fact is you cant just let them get away with things and play nice. 3 cold winters once the amo flips and that will take care of the atlantic side.
I am just going to call them out whenever they make remarks that are not founded in fact, which is about every metric they are using. The real damming evidence is the lack of warming at 400 mb , and the fact that if one does the math, mans influence on the entire air/ocean heat budget can not even be calculated its so small, being that co2 occupies .04 % of the atmosphere, man, according to DOE contributes 5 % to it ( TERMITES CONTRIBUTE 2.5 TIMES MORE THAN MAN!) . This means mans contribution to the atmosphere is .00002. Since the atmosphere has 1/1000th the heat capacity of the ocean, what we are asked to believe is that this gas which has a specific gravity 1.5 times that of air, heats and cools faster than air, has different radiative properties air, doesnt mix well with air, and is 1/400th of what are known as the greenhouse gasses, is ruining the earths climate.
That being said, they want to play on ice, I’m game. The northern ice cap is not disappearing and in fact since I wrote this, has increased more
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
There is no climate emergency. Co2 is needed for life on the planet and is not destroying the climate. Thats the bottom line
Joe, less ice on Arctic means = colder, not warmer. 1] the bull that ice is white = reflects the sunlight… not much sunlight to reflect there B] water has mirror effect also. 2] most important: white ice is full of air – insulates the water from the tremendous coldness from the air. Minus ice, water absorbs much more coldness and together with the normal coldness; with double strength is radiating it south – intercepts the moisture there = double the amount of snow / lizards. This time was in central Europe – last 3 years was in USA, northern Europe.
If you want to know, why is happening what is happening + to be able to predict correctly in advance, go to my website. Because, you are back to front on many things. Those things, if are happening, are not happening for the reasons you think. Same with Hansen &Co, their predictions are wrong and always will be wrong; because their beliefs are back to front on everything. They will always be wrong, but it shouldn’t be on other people’s expenses. If you have stomach for the truth, in few pages on my blog I have; you will learn how and why the things function differently on polar caps, mountain, desert and the bottom of the sea. I can see that you have good intentions, but the data and theories you use are wrong and back to front. Wrong data = wrong result.
To recognize what is wrong, what part of data / story is wrong; you must know how the things function. When you know those things; no need to go to every spot on the planet; from home you will know what is truth and what part is the lie. Joe, laws of physics control everything; those laws will be same in 100y as today. Always some place is warmer than normal – but other place MUST instantly get warmer. Extra heat in the troposphere is not cumulative; same as putting extra water in a full bucket. If you are not scared to discover, why, my website. Start from homepage – than the few other pages. You will be shocked, when compare it with the contemporary Warmist / fake Skeptic’s crap
Stephan…. I think you are missing the subtleties of the post…… I agree, and Joe may also with you posit. In fact, I stated less ice = cooling quite a while back. But, that’s not the point.
The point is showing the absurdities to the alarmists. If they want to believe the albedo effect is proper, then, point it out and play along. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/the-sad-demise-of-the-albedo/
It is wrong, it has always been wrong, but we have to put it on their terms so they can understand. I think that’s what Joe is saying.
If one makes it too complicated, their eyes roll back into their heads and they just reject what you are saying.
We need to be clear that we’re not debating rational, thinking beings. If they were, they would have already dropped this nonsense. This is a cult, plain and simple. Its followers don’t possess a sense of reason. Earth shattering abject failure may do nothing to penetrate their obsession. As with every other instance, when reality doesn’t confirm their belief, they will either “adjust” the data or create a new paradigm, often in direct conflict with the one it replaces. And they will perceive nothing amiss about this. We’re at a point where beatings may be the only communication that might penetrate the fog.
Amen
NoMoreGore, Warmist are persisting, because the Fake Skeptics are giving them oxygen. As long as the skeptical people are deluded that the planet’s temperature goes up and down as a y0-y0; Warmist know that they don’t have mature opponents.
Truth: nobody is monitoring the temp in the WHOLE troposphere = nobody knows what was ”correct” temp last year, to save his life – but everybody is comparing it with previous years. As long as the Skeptics do that – Warmist have no need to fall on their own sword.
suyts, I find on many blogs that; the Warmist are complicating things as a smokescreen. They are not stupid; I mean the leading Warmist – not the lower genera and IQ. Warmist are wining with lies / Skeptics are losers with the truth on their side.
The leading Warmist are puling the strings, to give only impression, that the Skeptics are on the front foot. As long as the Skeptics are debating about warmer / colder years = they are doing the Warmist dirty job. As long as the Skeptics are arguing that; colder = more ice on the polar caps = they are born losers.
Greenland has 1km thick ice – on SAME latitude in Siberia is much colder, but no ice / permafrost. Water freezes on ZERO degrees C. Skeptics are drowning in Plimer’s & Monckton’s crap, cannot see the reality. Mate, when is more, or less ice on the polar caps, is not a proof of any warmer / colder PLANET!!!
For both camps the laws of physics are a taboo. Nothing can happen what those laws don’t approve. Less ice on Arctic doesn’t proof of warmer, or colder planet. It’s same as: the Warmist are saying that; chickens have wings = they went and scratched the moon surface – than the Skeptics say: no, the Warmist are stupid, Chickens didn’t scratched it, it was the eagles; it was more eagles in the past than chickens.
Bottom line: Warmist are fleecing everybody, thanks to Plimer’s & Monckton’s sick EGO. Them two are delaying in admitting that: their 0,5C GLOBAL warming in 100years is ”smaller but more potent, more damaging crap than Warmist 2-6C GLOBAL warming lies.
When the Skeptics are using those ”phony” proofs as factual = leading Warmist are rolling on the carpet from laughter.
Nobody knows what is the correct temp on the planet – as long as everybody pretends to know = Skeptics are a Born Losers. Skeptical people have being duped by prof. Plimer and Lord Monckton, on the expense of the humanity. suyts, the good Lord has inserted a thermometer in EVERY oxygen + nitrogen atom. To expand INSTANTLY, when warmed up; to shrink INSTANTLY, when cooled. Expanding / shrinking troposphere is regulating the temperature to be overall, always the same – all the rest is useless / harmful crap.
There is very little room in your universe for different opinions. Skeptics that don’t have the exact same ideas you have seem to be in your mind fake skeptics. You believe your ideas are the only scientific comments. I’ve read some of your comments and found that you are either missing the point of comments, and are sometimes making comments about the science that are not actually based on real science at all. They are your opinions just like the alarmists have opinions that they mistakenly say are science.
Example – “Joe, less ice on Arctic means = colder, not warmer. 1] the bull that ice is white = reflects the sunlight… not much sunlight to reflect there B] water has mirror effect also. 2] most important: white ice is full of air – insulates the water from the tremendous coldness from the air.”
Nope. White DOES reflect a lot more sunlight than would be reflected by the “mirror” effect of water. Therefore, less ice in the arctic means more BTUs of energy get absorbed in the ocean. I can in fact prove this in several ways but I won’t bother as this is well covered in the literature – not alarmist literature either and is based on simple physics. Theoretically, in the short term if a large amount of ice were gone, then very cold air blowing over the ice would be warmed by water. The amount of cooling to large air masses that this would cause and the amount of new ice that would form due to this effect would have to be carefully modeled to get an idea of the real impact it would have on local weather and climate. The impact would vary depending on where the ice was missing. My gut feeling is that unless a very large amount of ice were missing, it would not have a large impact.
I also found it very unbecoming of you to lecture “Joe”.
The fight between AGW alarmists and skeptics is a political and science based fight. It need to be fought politically and scientifically. I don’t think it can be won on the science only. Some of the comments Joe has made attacking the “Ice” ideas of the warmists are political in nature and very helpful. His comments are in fact IMO on the order of 1000s of times more effective than your comments given Joe’s visibility. If anything, your comments help the warmists.
Bobby, ideas are = ‘’ideology’’. There is only one correct version, and many wrong theories. Two wrong don’t make it correct. Warmist know that they are wrong; only solid proofs will make them to spit the dummy. My ideas, your ideas are completely irrelevant! Facts / proofs are what counts. Goddard is making dogs breakfast of the shonky science that you defend. My proofs are proving how it is – completely opposite than the shonky science. If doesn’t fit what you believe; must be because you are WRONG. Learning the shonky data as a song, directing people on treads that are created for misleading and brainwashing; no thinking allowed – policing the seculars not to be informed with real proofs… needs many comments, to get to the bottom of it. You are using same tactic as incognito Warmist (fake Skeptic) What I state, I can prove; beyond any reasonable doubt. Ian Plimer made a big mistake, by using lots of shonky data/ references, as factual. End result is; turned the people interested in truth, in wrong direction = Australia has the highest carbon tax, thanks to him. Warmist know that he is wrong, he is using their science, science built on quick sand
Using Warmist science / data, to prove the Warmist wrong is naive. Joe can do much better job, if he has real proofs: 1] small patches exposed water (called Polynya on Slav lingo) is essential; the water to release toxic gases – was used by Warmist, to scare people (lots of details in my book) 2] demolishing ice by ice crusher ships, is a crime. 3] the sunlight is so thinly spread on Arctic, reflecting that sunlight is a joke; temperature hardly ever gets above zeroC. 4] if you go on the east-coast beach in the morning / west-coast in the evening look in the horizon = you will start sneezing = water makes mirror effect. On arctic sunlight comes from the horizon
5] none of the Warmist and fake Skeptics ever mention that: for 6 months in the year is no sunlight to reflect. 6] white ice is full of air, air in it is the insulator. Same as in polystyrene, is not the synthetic, but the trapped air is the insulator. Eskimos are using that white ice for igloos, to protect / insulate themselves from the coldness in the air. 7] that’s how water is protected by ice from the unlimited winter coldness. 8] I have proposed in my book, same proposal applies to you: you and your shonky scientists to be left in 6months winter darkness, only in BLACK colour shirts, to absorb the sunlight for warming themselves, but no thick cloths as insulation (ice is insulator to the water from minus -40C to -70C winter temp); you will quickly admit that I’m correct and the shonky science you defend is crap!!! Joe + Plimer, have their hearths on correct place, but wrong brainstrusts = they do much more harm than good. Joe needs to arm himself with real proofs, I have them
Water without ice as insulator, absorbs lots of extra coldness – as on conveyor belt, currents are spreading it south. Because that extra coldness when goes into Atlantic is not on the surface; they are for another big shock. Shonky science doesn’t use the laws of physics – otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about GLOBAL warming.
Bob, stick around and have open mind. If you cannot recognize solid proofs / if you promote shonky science = you are classifying yourself as a Fake Skeptic. I cannot say now, because I don’t know you. If you rely on ‘’established science’’ it means ‘’the science is settled’’ for you. You will be disappointed. Real proofs exist, for genuine Skeptics to use, can be replicated easy.
‘’Established science in ‘’climatology’’ has being wrong for 100years. Before 90’s, they were not scrutinized at all. Those bigger lies were used by Plimer &Co as factual; now their EGO is giving oxygen to the Warmist. Many Warmist incognito as ‘’fake Skeptics’’ are promoting those Pagan beliefs, because it helps the propaganda. May the truth win!
Well….look at the positive on this, Alaska is looking to have an above normal DJF !!!
I believe they deserve a better winter months than the one just completed….
However, I don’t like the looks of Alberta for this coming winter…think i’ll enjoy the summer when it arrives first…
Joe,
You should stop using that “Last 15 years” graph because it’s just wrong…. The expected warming for 15 years according to the IPCC should have been .3C. Your graphs shows more than .5C for the same period. I know there are certain ways you can go about defending the difference, but why muddle the issue?
Will Nitschke, the ”expected warming” of 0,5 or off 0,3 degrees; is same crap, in different wrappings. ”Expecting” for fear- mongering and brainwashing the ignorant is one thing – reality is completely another. IPCC’s and Monckton’s GLOBAL warmings are as two cheeks on the same ass = their must be some difference, but is hard to notice, and that difference is irrelevant.
Truth: extra warming (on the whole planet) is impossible. In 17y, will be exactly the same warmth units on the planet as today. 2] monitoring on few places on the planet – ONLY for the hottest minute of the day – ONLY on 2m above the ground… to be able to tell if is 0,5 or 0,3 degrees, is bottom of the sewer science.
In your backyard, you can find 3-5 variations of temperature. That’s only close to the ground. IPCC monitors on 6000 places. One thermometer is sufficient for one room – as I said; Hilton hotels has 12000 rooms = IPCC doesn’t have enough monitoring places even for 120000 rooms… Satellite TWO DIMENSIONAL photo of 50km thick troposphere… for you to know the correct temperature for the WHOLE troposphere? Grow up! Stop dignifying the swindlers / stop abusing yourself, it will fall off.
If the orbiting ‘Dry’ Cycles as defined and forecast by Alex S. Gaddes ( ‘Tomorrow’s Weather’, 1990) take time to affect each part of the globe in turn (30 degrees longitude/month, with the orbit of the Earth’ Magnetic Field,) the temperature fluctuations over land based stations are explained. (more or less Precipitation.)
Europe and America (in turn) are entering a Two Solar/Earth Year ‘Wet’/Normal Period. America is currently around eight months into a One Solar/Earth Year ‘Dry’ Cycle (depending on where you live under the orbit.)
An updated version of ‘Tomorrow’s Weather’ (with ‘Dry’ Cycle forecasts to 2055,) is available as a free pdf from [email protected]
According to Ice Records there have been ice free ‘corridors’ in both Canada and the Arctic in previous Glaciations.
stefanthedenier seems to have forgotten about the ‘albedo’ effects of explosive volcanic activity and wind-blown dust, as well as many other factors explained in ‘Tomorrow’s Weather.’ I look forward to his request for the offered pdf.
Hi Don! Mate, movements of the tectonic plates are controlling the weather Al Nino / La Nina effect. Solar affecting part of the planet, but not the other, is Mother of all Stupidity.
When some tectonic plates get more active – you notice an occasional volcano eruption and bigger earthquakes. But you don’t see on the bottom of the sea Were the earth’s crust is thinner = 10000% more submarine volcanoes and million percent more activated ”hot vents” From the surface is difficult to warm up the ocean – but all the heat from submarine volcanoes + hot vents is 100% absorbed / distributed by the currents. Those things you are interpreting as: the chamber of the sun responsible for wetter USA/ Europe…? Don, same sun, same sunspots are affecting Brazil and Sahara!!! Mate, listen to me: sun not guilty!!! There is legitimate explanation for everything; blaming the sun or any other gods / spirits, is cream of the ignorance / stupidity. In the past, they sacrificed a virgin or two, to make the sun and other spirits happy. What are you going to do now; when such a thing as a virgin doesn’t exist anymore?!
the last 15 year graph which precedes the last 3 years is Hadley data So how is that wrong. Its only wrong because you dont want to face the fact that once the added energy from the ocean warming went into the atmosphere, there was no more added heat and the temps are leveling off, responding to the state of the enso. That is it. Now that the pdo is flipping we are starting to cool
The last 15 years show the validity of climate cycle theory that the air responds to the ocean. Once the atmosphere adjusted to the warm pdo/amo., the temps leveled off, its that simple. Now that the pdo is flipping, we are turning the thermostat down, and just like in your house, the air cools before the surface. You can see that in the mid level trop responses to the Nina! Why do you think Hansen goes bonkers over super ninos, cause he knows there is where the warming response will be.
Its almost all the ocean ( the solar cycle is now the wild card we did not have in the last flip) but the flattening of the temps and the co2 going up is directly in line with the cyclical idea, and shows the sham co2 is.
Joe Bastardi, here is a shocking news / proof for all of you: the temp in the atmosphere doesn’t take 3y, 15y, to equalize. but ”MAXIMUM” of 7 minutes!!!
In the military book says: if you see a flashlight from atom bomb explosion in the distance – instantly hit the ground, with your butt towards ground zero and put the gasmask on – then 3 minutes after the original blast, if you can turn your head towards ground zero. Because after three (3) minutes – the wind with SAME SPEED as the explosion, goes BACK towards the ground zero and demolishes just as much, already weakened concrete buildings. But, turning in the opposite direction without getting up – otherwise – the returning wind will take you to ground zero. All of you guys forgot that O+N are 998999ppm in the atmosphere, they regulate the temp, not CO2 or fanatics from both camps
What the issue here is: atom bomb is heating oxygen + nitrogen to millions of degrees – they expand and their SPEED damages concrete buildings; not the 20-30kg of plutonium – (reason atom bomb is useless out of space, where is no oxygen + nitrogen) effect would be as few shotgun pellets (apart in Hollywood entertainment). O+N wouldn’t have SHRUNK after three (3) minutes – IF THEY WERE NOT COOLED –that’s the issue!!! But, they shrink almost as fast as they expand from the explosion. They shrink with the speed of the bullet and demolish the already weakened concrete buildings. MILLION DEGREES, O+N COOL IN THREE (3) MINUTES – the shonky ‘’experts’’ tell you that: in 10 years, the planet will be warmer by 0,156C… Cannot cool fraction of a degree, in 10 years ?! Thanks to the fake Skeptics… Joe, doesn’t take 3, or 15years, to equalize, but seven (7) MINUTES to cool million degrees; sleep on it Joe, and all the rest of you. Warmist believe in: 90% ”possibility” of global warming / Fake Skeptics believe 101% in phony GLOBAL warmings…?!
No, when air close to the ground warms up EXTRA, by 1-2-3C, doesn’t expand as fast as by atom bomb; but expands accordingly, by the amount of extra heat / INSTANTLY. Just that atom bomb is taking dust + WATER VAPOUR + CO2 – it gives better chance to be analysed visually; what normal extra warming does to oxygen + nitrogen. I.e. if is localized extra warming – that part of the troposphere expands into the stratosphere as a nuclear mushroom – then intercepts appropriate amount of extra coldness in 3,5 seconds – then INSTANTLY shrinks and brings that extra coldness to the ground in a jiffy.
Talking of warmer 3y, 15 years, is = doing the Warmist dirty work. Oxygen + nitrogen in the troposphere can get read of millions of degrees heat in 7 minutes. Lots of CO2 + H2O present in that nuclear mushroom; but doesn’t slow down the cooling by one millionth of a second. Joe and the rest of you: stop playing with your water pistols, to cool the planet; you will get blind!!!!! All the correct, real proofs are on my blog.
stefanthedenier:” Joe Bastardi, here is a shocking news / proof for all of you: the temp in the atmosphere doesn’t take 3y, 15y, to equalize. but ”MAXIMUM” of 7 minutes!!! ”
Ahh, maybe you are joking?
Let me ask you this, in your house, if you turn on a heater in the bathroom, does the temperature equalize throughout your home in a MAXIMUM of 0.00007 seconds? I know, 7 minutes is 6 million times larger than .00007 seconds but your house is much smaller than the world and relatively much smaller than 1/6 millionth.
stefanthedenier:” MILLION DEGREES, O+N COOL IN THREE (3) MINUTES ”
Humm, does the wind come back with exactly the same speed? Answer, no it does not – I know that the military handbook my say something different but what they mean is it rushes back very fast so is dangerous. Is the air rushing back into the blast zone composed of the exact same air molecules that blasted forth? Answer no it isn’t. I could go on with some of your other points. But I’m starting to believe more and more you write your posts as jokes or to disrupt the conversation.
Bobby, another shocker for you, start getting used to the reality: ”when you are still warming your room, the temperature is getting adjusted! When you warm up the room – air expands => 20% of the air out the door. Do you think that those 5m3 are gone into your yard? Wrong” There was already air in your yard, those extra 5m3 have increased the volume of the troposphere by 5m3, is sticking into the stratosphere – collects EXTRA coldness in 3,5 seconds – which means; shrinks and falls down as a shotgun pellets, to bring that extra coldness and equalize; BEFORE you even turn your heater off.
Not to defeat the purpose, that extra coldness doesn’t go into your room. Because of fast spinning of the planet eastwards – that extra coldness falls somewhere far west. Plus, by falling down, many winds in the upper atmosphere disperse it. Bob, comparing your house with the troposphere is ”Desperado’s muddying the truth”
More? ”Big city island heat” – by cities getting bigger – they produce extra heat – temps gone up by 0,5 to 3C. The 500km3 of air expended by 10%. Those 50km3 of extra volume are adding to the volume of the troposphere all the time => troposphere is enlarged and is collecting EXTRA appropriate amount of coldness and is redirecting it down. otherwise that extra coldness was just zooming away unused before. Troposphere is similar as enlarging the VOLUME of the radiator on your car. Can the ”shonky established science” dig that?
In the military is no jokes about atom bombs. Air doesn’t shrink, unless is cooled. The temp where nuc mushroom goes is minus -90C. That is 5,3 times colder place, than in your deep freezer. Do the O+N expand because they have nothing better to do, or they are regulating INSTANTLY the temp in the troposphere. Depends the size of the bomb, kilotons = mushroom —megatons, air expands in a shape of a fishbowl / much more. Shrinks the speed of a bullet, not in 3 years. I’m here, to prove on EVERY subject, that the propaganda is wrong and back to front. O+N are 998999ppm of the troposphere, CO2 is only 260 – 400ppm. Some day, you can compare by yourself the difference. Bob, don’t have ”closed parashoot brains” start using it. Cheers!!!
I think some of you are muddying the waters unnecessarily here. Joe’s main points seem to be:
1. AMS says that temperature is unambiguously increasing, but the real data for the past 15 years contradicts that claim.
2. AMS says that sea ice is declining at a rapid rate, but the real data from cryosphere today and NSIDC contradict that claim.
3. AMS says that sea level is rising at an accelerating rate, but ARGO floats and other real data contradict that claim.
Basically all Joe is pointing out here is that the three major claims of the AMS regarding “global warming” or “climate change” or whatever they are calling it today are all completely contradicted by actual, verifiable data, so the claims are Bovine Excrement.
Joe, you are a breath of fresh air, as opposed to the warmists, who are simply emitters of far too much CO2 and hot air for their own good. Keep up the good work!
By the way, we always see that ominous 2007 dotted line on the sea ice graphs, and clearly April 2012 is WAY above April 2007 for Northern Hemisphere sea ice coverage. Has anyone calculated the difference yet? I think it would be a great dig at the warmists if we simply started pointing out that April 16 2012 NH sea ice is 1.1 million square kilometers higher than April 16, 2007 was, so their claim of rapidly declining sea ice is obviously garbage.
(I got the 1.1 million square kilometers number from just eye-balling the graph… pretty sure it is approximately correct).
We need to keep bashing the “True Believers” over the head with real, verifiable data that contradicts anything and everything they say, and do so loudly and publicly so that their protestations to the contrary become obvious lunacy to anyone with an actual brain.
Is it to soon to tell if this year be an El Nino or a La Nina?
El Nino
There are numerous comments on the global non-warming since 1998 or so, but should there not be similar comments on the lack of change in Arctic sea-ice extent since about 2007?
Large year-to-year variance without changing the (apparent) mean value. A system in flux between declining and increasing?
Doug, 98 is not used anymore by the Warmist, as the warmest. Now they changed it to 97 and 2005 as the warmest years. They use whatever suits the occasion. Ian Plimer was tricked to use even in his book 98 as the warmest.
The truth: for the last 150y, the troposphere hasn’t accumulated enough EXTRA heat, to boil one chicken egg. Extra heat in the troposphere overall is not accumulative. That’s what the laws of physics and my formulas prove.
2] I have pointed to them, so they changed it: 98 was ”the warmest” for two reasons 1] because was the year after the Kyoto conference – to scare the crap out of the Urban Sheep. 2] when they realized that it will take many, many years to scare the majority – the more prudent swindlers in IPCC / East Anglia lowered the temp for the following years. Otherwise, if they were increasing by that much every year; people like you would have noticed that is not actually getting warmer. Around important elections, important conferences, they increase it, as it suits the occasion. As a fodder for the ignorant / mushrooms. Nobody knows what was the temp in the troposphere for last year, to save his /her life – comparing one unknown with other unknowns, is part of the circus
Joe,
“the last 15 year graph which precedes the last 3 years is Hadley data So how is that wrong.”
The data is not the issue, it’s the warming trend that is objectionable. This is over stated in your graph if we look at the IPCC claim. What is more effective? To rebut Warmists by citing a trend calculation made by Lord Monckton or to rebut claims made by the IPCC using the IPCC’s own standards of comparison? Think about it…
The Earth (and it’s Magnetic Field ) orbits the Sun, a ‘constant’. The Earth rotates on it’s axis, a ‘Constant’. The Sun rotates relative to the Earth at a 27:1 ratio at the ‘Sunspot Latitude’. ‘Dry’ Cycles originate from this latitude and affect the Earth from East to West at thirty degrees longitude /month, (another ‘Constant’.) Alex S. Gaddes defined these ‘Dry’ Cycles and developed a method (The Ratios Principle) to exactly predict their onset and duration as they orbit the planet. (eg. the current One Solar/Earth Year ‘Dry’ Cycle is still affecting America and arrived over Australia in early January 2012. ) This ‘Dry’ Cycle has finished in Europe, which is now experiencing the start of a Two Solar/Earth Year ‘Wet’/Normal Period.
The causes and ‘mechanism’ of the Solar/Earth link are unknown at this time, but current work on the solar induced production of ultra-violet and ozone and the subsequent ‘break-up’ of Jet Stream cloud would seem to hold some promise. (see Stuart Clark article in New Scientist.)
Nothing to do with the forty year Fantasy of El Nino/La Nina.
Nothing to do with Tectonic Plate movement.
I still await stefanthedenier’s request for the offered pdf. I’m sure he craves ‘enlightenment’ as much as the rest of us.