Climate models tell us that missing Arctic ice makes the planet warmer, by reducing the Earth’s albedo. However, the latest research tells us that missing Arctic ice is making the planet much colder.
Arctic Ice Reduction Responsible for Recent Cold Winters in Northern Hemisphere, Says Georgia Tech
Global warming doesn’t necessarily refer to the actual warming of the planet.
Pay close attention. Global warming now means global cooling
The reduction of the Arctic Ocean’s ice surface generated by climate warming could constitute an explanation for the snow and frost of the latest years in Europe and some Northern hemisphere areas, says a study published on Monday by Georgia Tech.
The science is settled. Climate models have the wrong polarity on numerous feedbacks, but they are still accurate to 0.01 degrees over the next 100 years. Look for 11F warming over the next century, due to Arctic ice loss – which is making the planet colder.
The Hockey Team is going drop a load in their pants when they see Svensmark’s latest experiment results. Let’s hope that in the future, our children will know what normal science, an actual experiment testing a hypothesis and leading to new a new discovery, looks like. Let’s hope in the future that our children will know how misleading post-normal science, models that claimed to be proof that CR was incapable of causing particle formation large enough to impact cloud formation, can be.
It should be interesting to watch this unfold. At some point a book (maybe a movie) on how an anti-science IPCC steeped in political corruption tried to kill the CR theory.
“Global Warming doesn’t mean the earth is warming” – Then why call it GLOBAL warming?
“However, the latest research tells us that missing Arctic ice is making the planet much colder.”
What rubbish is this? Call me sceptical but do you have link to this research showing less ice makes the planet much cooler.
lol,….. well, you could interpret the Georgia Tech study as stating that, but you can also look here….http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/archive/2010/global-warming-could-cool-down-temperatures-in-winter
Global cooling caused by global warming……. Laz, we live in a very sad world today.
Where does it say or even suggest that “missing Arctic ice is making the planet much colder”?
If you haven’t the wit to read and understand the article, or the research it refers to, it is talking about weather over part of the NH. Not anything that can make the “planet much colder”.
Were you not the slightest bit sceptical of such a claim?
Please explain how 50% of the Earth being colder than average is incapable of making the Earth colder than average.
Damn you Stark you’ve figured it out! Us and our denier tricks won’t fool you! Just because HALF the planet will become cooler doesn’t mean that the OTHER HALF won’t be come warmer. So melting ice in the North Pole must CAUSE WARMING in the Southern Hemisphere to balance everything out. You must be a Climate Scientist! Did you ever win one of those Gleick Genius Awards they hand to each other?
Since when was part of the NH 50% of the Earth?
Shouldn’t you actually read the science before commenting?
Gosh, that’s a hard one. What’s the second word in “NH”?
Maybe you should read the English language before you try to comment on something written in it.
Umm? Let’s see.
Lots more snow = more albedo = cooling.
Not that difficult is it?
Actually Paul, if you are trying to argue that an ice-free Arctic will cause the Earth to warm uncontrollably, it is incredibly difficult. (:-
If cold Arctic air cools lower latitudes warmer air from these lower latitudes will move to the Arctic. Like a fireplace fire, the bigger the fire the more (cold) air from the outside is sucked in.
So the cold air that is used to cool Europe can’t be used to make polar ice. So yes colder Europe will provoke less sea ice or a warmer Siberia .
That’s my thought. If the jet stream pushes more cold Arctic air south, by definition it must send more warm air north to the Arctic.
Therefore it is not “melting Arctic” powering jet stream changes, it is the other way round.
Horses and carts and things like that.
This is obviously some strange usage of the word “warm” that I wasn’t previously aware of.
Do all the black bodies in the inner city contribute to the UHI?
Someone else has blogged about the past climate as its rapidly cooling down.
http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/01/data-tamperin-giss-caught-red-handed-manipulaing-data-to-produce-arctic-climate-history-revision/
You know, this is really riotous. The loons are almost catching up to old skeptic science. They’ll probably get there in a few years when they realize arctic ice is cyclic and that the absence of causes heat release from the oceans, which doesn’t otherwise occur with the ice……
We all know these science rejects took their PELL money and bought their professor a kegger instead of actually studying science to get a passing grade.
…you ever get the feeling that they don’t know what tha fk they are talking about
Trying to come up with any explanation when their predictions don’t come true
Trained at the ACME, by Wile E Coyote.
lol, yeh, I had that feeling back in the 90s when it started to become all the rage…… I just couldn’t understand why anyone would ever take these lunatics seriously.
Most people grow up.
Or it used to be that way.
lol, it used to be…….
If even one of you loons had bothered to read the relevant scientific papers all of this would be old news. I’ve cited Francis, Overland, Wang, Screen, Simmonds, Cohen and others several times before – it’s obvious you can’t let your preconceived (and ignorant) beliefs be corrupted by actual science.
@Paul Homewood : That’s my thought. If the jet stream pushes more cold Arctic air south, by definition it must send more warm air north to the Arctic… Therefore it is not “melting Arctic” powering jet stream changes, it is the other way round….Horses and carts and things like that.
Buy a clue Homeless. What’s moving the jet stream? Fairies? Evil sky dragons? Did it just up and decide one morning it no longer liked the neighborhood and decided to wander around? I have an idea – why don’t we READ what the people who study it for a living have to say? Oh duh – that would mean SCIENTISTS – like Cohen, Francis, Wang ….. or the very article SG linked to:
Got that Homeless? I’ll type real slow for you- r e t r e a t i n g – a r c t i c – i c e -
a l t e r i n g – a t m o s p h e r i c – c i r c u l a t i o n – p a t t e r n s …
So much stupidity gather in one blogspot should require special warning tags.
PS: @ Andy DC Do all the black bodies in the inner city contribute to the UHI? Obviously the stereotype of ignorant, conservative, white racists is *just* a stereotype. Right?
@SG: You really don’t have a clue, do you? Global doesn’t mean part of the northern hemisphere – that you try to equate parts of Europe or the NH with global shows you really are a dunce or a charlatan. Or I suppose you could be stupid AND a charlatan. You really aren’t very good at this.
I can’t believe a bunch of deniers would be stupid enough to think that the “NH” was part of some mythical globe, right?
Looks like you need to drink some more of that green stuff!
And this!
Kevin O’Neill,
Another sheep for the slaughter.
Thank you for citing a bunch of big income Carbonazis. Who wrote old papers with no relevance to the real world and have been massively disproved a very long time ago.
So CO2 is grabbing extra Solar warmth? That would preclude warmth on the ground and sea unless the air movement made it so. Not found.
It would make a large difference before the land/sea cooled it. Not found.
However, we *can* absorb 3.5% of Solar radiation in air but that is an “on the bench” measurement with 0% humidity. In the real world it’s <1.5% and less. Less than normal Solar variation which is supposedly on a high right now and sadly failing us after 1.5 lifetimes of recovery.
Here are the specific heat capacities of air at sea level and water at -10C
0.00121 & 1.938. = 1,600x greater.
Lets not forget air is half pressure at ~12,000' but the sea averages 3.5miles deep and loses no capacity. Tried warming your icy cold drink by blowing on the neck of the flask?
Finally,
"Global doesn’t mean part of the northern hemisphere", "black bodies in the inner city", equates to: "Obviously the stereotype of ignorant, conservative, white racists is *just* a stereotype.". etc. etc.
.. I smell strawmen and shooting the messenger tactic. How so desperate!
@Andyj – Let me get this straight; calling someone out (in a POSTSCRIPT) for an obviously racist statement is a strawman? I see, so protocol is just to let the racist statements fly by without comment?
Sorry, when someone makes racist, bigoted statements they need to be called out on it. I don’t care if it’s a forum on science, politics, Nascar, whatever. Tacit acceptance of unacceptable remarks is a signature of authoritarianism/tribal groupthink.
“Hey, he’s on my side so I’m not going to criticize him.” BS.
If Lazarus or someone I tend to agree with had made the same statement I’d react the same way. I do it in my personal life face-to-face and I’m sure as hell not going to be reticent about it online.
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If you don’t believe in the theory of GHGs then why is the earth not dozens of degrees cooler? This has been established physics for 150 years. I can only assume you’re scientifically illiterate.
Who would have thought that established physics would be so easy to shoot down…………
Kevin, can’t you look at the information presented (by the scientists) and come to your own conclusions without being compelled to parrot their strange theories?
“We think the recent snowy winters could be caused by the retreating Arctic ice……..”
Now, all of that would be fine, except, the arctic ice hasn’t decreased much in the winter period. So, they’re stating the circulation patterns change in the winter because of the summer extent? ….. phhttt.
A better posit……… atmospheric circulation patterns periodically change, and we haven’t a clue as to why they do that.
All one has to do is look at the empirical data already gathered to show flaws in their posits. We’ve had two snowy winters in a row….. then they wet themselves trying to come up with an explanation… ok, then explain 1978 and 1979 or 1985 and 1986. What were the ice conditions then? Further, given the snow extent of the mentioned years, what then are we to make of the snow extent in the years of 1997-2002?
That isn’t science you’re quoting, that’s sophistry.
What’s caused the jet stream to move? Evil sky dragons? Do you have a theory – or is it just the opposite of whatever the worldwide conspiracy of climate scientists say?
You have *no* scientific explanation. None. Nada. Zippo. A dozen different researchers approaching the question from different angles, using different datasets, observing different atmospheric variables, and working in nearly as many different countries all come up with similar answers: your conclusion? They’re all wrong and anyone who believes them is ‘parroting’ climate nazis.
Tinfoil hat alert.
When a pamphlet was published entitled 100 Authors Against Einstein, Einstein retorted “If I were wrong, one would be enough.”
Interesting question about the jet stream waggling. I wonder if its pushed from behind, pulled from the front. Or pushed/pulled sideways?
There is no way a good answer can possibly come from any Carbonazi.
Tinfoil hat indeed.
Sure, they came up with an explanation, but it runs contrary to empirical observed data. I don’t need a scientific explanation to show their explanation is tripe. Just look at the record Kevin.
What sort of nutjob simply accepts sophistry because it agrees with their ideology? Quit projecting your failings onto other people. This is why science is in the state that it is. That idiotic posit of missing ice causing the snowfall amount to change is demonstrably false!
Go here to understand why your “dozen different researchers” can have incredibly flawed thoughts.
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/03/03/a-word-about-the-education-controversy/
Lunatic…. look at the damned data! Worse thing we’ve done on this earth has been to educate a bunch of buffoons.
@suyts – for all your bluster you say *not one thing* about the actual science – nothing. It’s all hyperbole and rhetoric.
GHG effect. Positive albedo effect. Decreased arctic sea ice. Increased water vapor. Increased precipitation (snow). Negative albedo effect. Latitudinal temperature gradients. Rossby waves. There’s a chain of events that start with GHGs and ends in changes to our climate. We’re witnessing those changes.
You keep blustering around, yet you say nothing. Meaningless tropes and you talk of sophistry? The irony is palpable.
@suyts:Sure, they came up with an explanation, but it runs contrary to empirical observed data.
It does?
Arctic sea ice is decreasing. Confirmed.
Albedo over the arctic ocean is decreasing. Confirmed.
Atmospheric water vapor is increasing. Confirmed.
Snowcover is increasing. Confirmed.
Albedo over Siberia is increasing. Confirmed.
Latitudinal temperature gradient is decreasing. Confirmed.
Rossby waves are changing. Confirmed.
Jet stream is changing in response. Confirmed.
*ALL* of these individual components are confirmed by empirical evidence. Of course you never pointed to any evidence they were contradicted by empirical evidence – just made the bald assertion. Opinion vs science. I’ll take science, you can keep your opinion.
Arctic sea ice is 1,000,000 km^2 greater than five years ago. That is what you call decreasing?
@SG:Arctic sea ice is 1,000,000 km^2 greater than five years ago. That is what you call decreasing?
And in relation to the 30 year mean? And in relation to volume 5 years ago? How thick was the ice 5 years ago compared to today? Is there more ice in the arctic today compared to 5 years ago?
Will we ever see annual minimum extent exceed the minimum of 2006 in our lifetimes?
Hey, I never expect you to tell the *whole* truth – charlatans and prevaricators never do.
….five years ago
…Wind contributing to Arctic sea ice loss, study finds
Much of the record breaking loss of ice in the Arctic ocean in recent years is down to the region’s swirling winds and is not a direct result of global warming, a new study reveals.
The new findings also help to explain the massive loss of Arctic ice seen in the summers of 2007-08 (five years ago)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/22/wind-sea-ice-loss-arctic
Kevin,
Are you really stupid enough to take that “black body” remark seriously? It was obviously made in jest. Did I say anything to put down anybody? You can say the humor is lame, but certainly not mean spirited.
Andy
How is a racist joke funny?
Kevin,
Everyone that has taken a class in elementary radiation theory is familiar with the law “black bodies radiate at T4 (temperature to the 4th power)”. Obviously the black bodies in the law don’t mean humans, they mean large black surfaces.
My posting was meant to be a play on words “black bodies” and not meant to be a racial putdown. I assumed that the audience was sophisticated enough and mature enough to see the good natured humor of what I was saying. If not, I apologize.
Andy
Andy:
Only some of us.
Kevin,
If AGW is moving the jet stream, how do you account for a blizzard and subzero F weather in Florida that took place in 1899? Or a 30″ snowstorm in Lake Charles, LA that took place in 1894? Or 121 in North Dakota during 1936 after a winter where it was -60 in North Dakota?
Andy
Andy – there’s always going to be *weather* – variations that are due to chance alignments and 1:100, or 1:500 chance events. Dominant climatic modes are a different story. When weather patterns begin to persist for years we have to start suspecting a climatic shift. That’s all climate is – weather normalized over a long period of time – at least 30 years.
Occasionally we can see a shift and identify it as it happens. My personal belief is that 2007 was just such a shift in regards to arctic sea ice. I’ve challenged SG numerous times to answer this question: Will we ever see minimum arctic sea ice extents greater than 2006 again in our lifetimes?
If 2007 was just random weather, then the answer is assuredly, Yes. If 2007 was the result of an accumulation of warming that signals a real climate shift in the arctic, then the answer is, No. SG has refused to answer the question. I believe the answer is, No.
SG has crowed repeatedly over the years about MYI recovering. of course the latest data is just another debunking of that idea. he crows elsewhere in this comment section about current SIE; but never mentions that volume is down 25% over the same 5 year period.
You don’t have to go as far as the arctic to see the effects – northern temperate lakes are experiencing much the same ice cover reductions. The Great Lakes are seeing reductions of 2% per year. This correlates to lake levels, which are dropping. Smaller lakes are seeing ice-on/ice-off dates changing rapidly. This isn’t limited to the arctic.
Yes, but where’s my tropo heating that is supposed to be heating the Earth and sea’s?
If the air is heating up then it filters same heat from the surface.
You can throw numbers at me all day but reality hates you.
i.e.
The great lakes are seeing a reduction of ice??
Don’t you know what created those lakes?
blimey! I put the kettle on 3 minutes ago. The heat input is constant but the temperature?
Why is it this AGW theory turns CO2 on its head so instead of being the symptom of warmer climes its now the problem?
Your horse has bolted sir. Shall I close the stable door?
Nobody on either side of the fence can truthfully say whether the weather alters the climate or the climate alters the weather. But with 12 years of no new heat. The sea’s lately dropping. All AGW predictions are on their head. This Solar max and the Pacific is neutral………. Who gives a monkeys cuss anyway?
Kevin,
Since when have the Great Lakes been losing ice at the rate of 2% a year? Is it since 1979, the alarmist’s favorite year?
1977, 1978 and 1979 were by far the coldest 3 winters on record for the Great Lake region. For Waterloo, IA, they were coldest, 2nd coldest and 3rd coldest Januaries on record.
So to say ice is less than those 3 years is the ultimate Cherry Pick. What percentage of ice has the Great Lakes lost since 1930 or 1950? I am certain that it would be much less on average than starting after by far the coldest 3 winters in recorded history.
Stark Dickflüssig says:
“Maybe you should read the English language before you try to comment on something written in it.”
Oh the irony!
I’ll as you again, typing very slowly;
Since when was part of the Northern Hemisphere 50% of the Earth?
I’ll as you again??
Should be ‘I’ll ask you again’
“Oh the irony!
I’ll as you again, typing very slowly;”
*That* is irony!
Typing even more slowly now mr strawman?
So when was throw around bit of text meant as a fact? Stop correcting the messenger. The message is valid.
Laz, the NH is 50% of the globe, and it always has been.
@suyts: ‘part of’ the NH is *NOT* 50% of the globe. That’s the point you kooks keep skipping over. PART OF. Since when does part of 50% = 50%?
Answer: Never.
Cretins.
“Laz, the NH is 50% of the globe, and it always has been.”
Well done! So how much is part of that 50%?
You really could not make this stuff up!
Precisely the same moment you alarmists started claiming that you can average temperatures over large areas. You’ve made your bed, now lie in it.
Red herring, short_dick. Since when does “part of” the NH equal 50% of the globe?
Answer: Only in the land of short_dicks.
Stark Dickflüssig
Don’t you even feel slightly embarrassed about you lack of basic comprehension?
@ Kevin O’Neill…..
You realize, of course, that you have now talked yourself, and many other alarmists, into a huge circle of fail!
Sciency types have posited that the lack of ice is causing more snow and a shift in circulation events such as the gulf stream.
Ok, but, we’ve observed changes in the gulf stream and the AO before. And, we’ve had winters with more snow before, but with more arctic ice. Many of these events occurred before time began in 1979. But, we’re told the ice is at an all time low!!!
Well, which is it? Did we have changes in the jet stream accompanied with deep debilitating record snow events in the past because of the lack of arctic ice? Because then this would mean we are not at an all time low in arctic ice and similar events have occurred in the past and what we are seeing is nothing unusual.
Or, are these dozens of researchers FOS? And, if they are FOS, what causes us to believe they weren’t FOS in their prior research? What demonstrable history do that have which would cause us to lend anything they say any credence?
Kevin, how come you and your ilk can’t learn in spite of repeated lessons given? Quit believing everything you read just because it comes from some govt. subsidized educated idiots!
Suyts – I really wonder if you’re an idiot. Does every effect have the same cause? That’s what you’re saying. The earth warmed 400,000 years ago. it wasn’t due to GHGs. the earth warmed 10,000 years ago – it wasn’t for the same reason as 400,000 years ago and neither was it due to GHGs. the earth is warming now and it *is* due to GHGs. Three different warming periods with three different causes. Not every effect has the same cause.
It snows. Some years it snows more than others. Does every snowstorm have the same direct and indirect causes? No. Only an *idiot* would think so. Yet you seem to think so. (Sound of shoe fitting Suyts’s foot.)
Arctic sea ice is at a 6500 year low. Forget the 1930′s or 50′s – the last time there was this little ice was during the HCO. Why? We should be in a cooling period. Indeed, recent attribution studies now show more than 100% of global warming due to GHGs. I.e., the world would be cooling over the last 100 years if not for GHGs.
As for scientists credibility – you *are* an idiot. Let’s talk about the USS Skate: how many “science” sites have used the photo of the Skate to “prove” there was open water at the Pole in the 1950′s?
Real Science? Check.
WattsUpWithThat? Check.
Climate Insanity? Check.
…. suffice to say virtually every denialist site on the web, has used it.
And every single one of them was wrong. Easily fact checked. Easily disproven. Yet most had to be dragged kicking and screaming to admit they were wrong. The big Zombie Lie is *still* used today. Ice, ice, baby: Arctic sea ice on the rebound
The simplest of facts and they (you) can’t get it right. Does it change their story once they find out they were wrong? Nope. Just move along. Nothing to see here.
Look at the people that are on your side – Andy DC with his insidious racism. ME with the ethnic slurs. You know a man by the company he keeps. Forget about their political views – they’re just bad human beings. Perhaps that doesn’t bother you – it sure as hell would bother me.
You fcktard….. you threw up ad homs….. spurious points and much hand waving…. if you cut those out what do you have?
First of all, I didn’t say a damned thing about 400,000 years ago. I was referencing established verifiable events.
You stated
WTF?? We’re at a 6500 year low because we should be in a cooling period? …….. Kevin, put that shit down. Alcohol will kill what few brain cells you have left, slower.
The USS Skate…. ok…. what? Did I mention the Skate? WTF are you babbling about? Are you stating the Skate never surfaced at the north pole? IDK, because in this discussion I hadn’t spoke of it. Nor, did any reference infer or otherwise invoke it. Those are just the other voices in your head.
As to the only bit I can respond to, I never stated the same exact causes produce snow. I stated the same snows have happened in the past. And if you would just think for more than a second, you’d also understand that there is no necessity to try to explain, in a novel way, why things are occurring today that have happened in the past. That’s advocacy and sophistry. …… Next up…. leap year occurs for a different reason 4 years from now!!! Because things are different today and people drive SUVs. That’s vapid.
As to my “side”……. given your latest round of …. arguments, I’m not surprised, but you haven’t learned anything from engaging here. If you can’t tell by now, I’ll just tell you. There is a great diversity of skeptical people. Many I agree with, some I do not. Some are atheists, others not. Some liberals, more are conservative. Some Liberals are conservative(Aussies). All have come to engage and help tell the world that the CAGW hypothesis is wrong. I celebrate this.
In other times and places some of us would probably be antagonists with each other. But, not for this. For this we all rise in opposition. Because it is wrong. It is wrong at its base and it is wrong in its extension.
As to the individuals …. this isn’t my site. And, I’m not their father. I wish they wouldn’t, but it really has nothing to do with the correctness of the CAGW hypothesis. Or, specifically these last two years of snow in which now….. suddenly after years and years of heavy snows being of one cause….. now they are caused by different things…… even though its still the same snow….. no….no wait, next year….. ACID SNOW!!!!
Kevin, get a grip, grow up, and come back when you can sensibly discuss something. I hate to be this harsh, but, you’re the one that went there.
lol, “we should be in a cooling period”……. most rational people would say that we are in a cooling period…. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998
@suyts – do you not even read what *YOU* write? Who brought up CREDIBILITY? The USS Skate speaks directly to credibility. And not well for most ‘skeptics.’
I asked *you* the question. Why are we seeing a 6500 year low in arctic sea ice when we *should* be in a cooling period.
Again, you assume just because two effects are the same they have the same cause. The earth warmed 400,000 years ago. The earth warmed 10,000 years ago. The earth is warming now. By your rationale there is no need for novel explanations because warming has happened in the past – but all three events *DO* have novel explanations, they are NOT due to the same causes.
Are you really that dense that I have to draw dotted lines for you connecting these ideas together?
You celebrate the fact you have racists and bigots marching along with you? Great.
Here’s an exercise – explain to me why these two plots are both similar and different.
Why do these waveshapes have their particular characteristics and why do they change over time and what significance is there to the changes. Tell me everything you can scientifically think of to describe them. You’ll find no scientific papers explaining them, so it’s all on your own critical scientific analysis.
They’re plots of arctic ice volume divided by extent on the one hand and area on the other.
Kevin, I’m not going down your remedial path. You want to jump through hoops others hold for you, by all means hop to it. Your hand waving skills are sub-par.
Again, you’re bringing up very distant past event and are trying to draw an analogy to what we are (I’m trying to) discuss.
Apparently, you’re stating the conditions of near past earth circa 1978 or1985 has changed as much as the far past earth 400,000 years ago. And, therefore, we need new explanations for weather events which has occurred in the last two years, as opposed to what occurred 2 decades ago, or even in 2003. Even though the ice trending hasn’t changed that much in the last decade. 400,000 years ago to the present is as 30 years ago is to the present…… ok… got it.
Kevin, if you want to go chasing every nuanced climate mythology, by all means, go for it. You do realize it only makes you guys look silly when the next events contradict what has been stated. (Which seem to be happening with more and more frequency.)
Warming causes the ice to melt…. okay, which causes more, or less snow, depending upon the science de jour. It also causes warm or cold winters in the NH, again depending upon the science de jour or the particular scientist whose babbling more nonsense. It’s vapid.
But, that’s not even the most vapid part. The fact is, the earth hasn’t warmed for a while, and the winter ice extent hasn’t decreased for a while either. As to the thickness, what possible difference could that make to the air circulation events? Again, another silly observation. What? The air looks down and sees the ice is 3 inches thinner than last year and that causes it to change direction?
And, of course, all of this blithely ignores the many other fallacies the alarmist camp has driveled in the past. They have to ignore them because it destroys their arguments. Tell me again, the importance of Arctic ice albedo?
And again, tell me why recent past changes in the AO which caused more snow is way different than the last two years? Oh, right, because things were so different way back in the 80s. I remember back then more snow happened because of shifts in the jet stream, but obviously, those shifts, which are exactly like the shifts we’ve recently seen, are somehow caused by a different mechanism which ends in the same results.
Kevin, I think you are too bright for all of this. Did you ever have critical thinking skills or did you give them to someone to hold and they never brought them back?
@suyts – Do you have a better scientific theory? No.
You can’t argue the science (you never even try – just rhetoric), you have no alternative theory (much less a better one) and you ignore evidence.
First, * you know* there is a time lag in many climate cause and effects. So your postulating about winter ice is just nonsense. What happens in the arctic in the summer and fall can have significant effects in winter. Meanwhile, the Kara and Barentz Seas were nearly devoid of ice until January. This has a *known* regional effect. The climate science literature has addressed it specifically. Rather than address the science, you just wave your hands and spout nonsense that you yourself know is nonsense.
Why? Why ignore the science? The science says, reduced ice cover in the Kara and Barentz leads to anomalously cold weather from the arctic dumped into Europe. The scientific literature called it to a tee. That’s how bright these guys (or gals) are – you just wave your hands and act as if variations don’t have specific causes.
A link between reduced Barents-Kara sea ice and cold winter extremes over northern continents, Vladimir Petoukhov and Vladimir A. Semenov. JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 115, D21111, 11 PP., 2010.
Of course these damn foreigners must be in on the great climate hoax, too.
The Charletons said Aussieland will be a dustbowl. Now Carbonazis say it creates rain when confronted with the real World .
Right now, 8″ of dust flooding Sydney.
The bigger problem for Lazarus & Kevin is that they’re going to have to start believing that the Earth is a sphere before they can conceptualize a “hemisphere” as being part of the Earth. Somebody ought to invent a term to describe them: something like “plane-Earthers”.
@short_dick: Yes, parts of Europe and North America = ALL of the NH and also equals ‘global’. Strange ways in the land of short_dicks.
Look at the people that are on your side – Andy DC with his insidious racism. ME with the ethnic slurs. You know a man by the company he keeps. Forget about their political views – they’re just bad human beings. Perhaps that doesn’t bother you – it sure as hell would bother me.
Awwweee are whining and crying here, it would bother you does it! And @short_dick: to Stark above doesn’t bother you I’m guessing, and Strange ways in the land of short_dicks. That doesn’t bother you either, The hypocrisy here is too much…….
Racist and bigoted posts are racist and bigoted posts. That’s not whining and crying – that’s pointing out a fact.
Whaaa whaaa whaaa, as the hypocrite is as the hypocrite does, ya leprechaundriac.
I don’t give a mokey’s cuss about racism. Most times its the truth and as you say:
“tacit acceptance of unacceptable remarks is a signature of authoritarianism/tribal groupthink.”
That fits entirely within the far left “Progressives”. You know, the Fabians. The very same people that gave Hitler all his idea’s. The very same people who lock others up for one-way laws on racism for similar sentences to murder. The obamatards. The fiscally inept and corrupt who have corrupted Fascism from its corporal control (humans) to corporate (business) control.
The USA was built on Fascism (Fascii “To tie sheeves together”). The symbols are engraved on the pillars of the whitehouse, Congress, many coins, army insignia and under each hand of Lincoln.
So stop playing the niger. AGW does not exist. CO2 can only absorb 3.5% of Sunlight in 0% humidity. Where I live its more like 85% on average.
In other words, shorter Andyj, “I’m racist and proud of it.”
If you think this country was founded on fascism – then you are a very ignorant racist. Of course, there’s rarely any other kind. Sheaves of wheat are a nearly universal symbol for harvest plenty. Demeter (well-known Greek mythological fascist) was the goddess of the harvest and the sheaves of wheat one of her symbols. The sheaves of wheat are also a long-standing symbol in christianity (religious mythology based on the life of Jesus – a well-known Jewish fascist).
Of course the Masons, Egyptians, and twelve-dozen other organizations, cultures, and religions also use the sheaves of wheat as a symbol. Of course these are all part and parcel of the Fascist Front – the ancient order of carbonazis.
In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
You prattle on about “The science says,” yet don’t even have a clue about basic children’s history. Try Googling “Fascist Symbols In U.S”. Before you open your mouth and prove to us all you are a clueless fool.
And no, I’m not interested in you gob-shiting the subject matter about Nations and histories that have nothing to do with the subject matter. The Romans invented Fascism, get over it.
You make idiotic accusations of me being a racist because you are ashamed of being noted as from Niger? Oh the irony!
Got ya! typical left footed non functioning tax sucking loser who cannot survive in the real world outside of mummy big Gov’t teat.
No doubt a part of a figure of speech. It’s a blog, not a fekking science paper.
Kevin:
After reading this entire line of stuff flowing from your key board, once again you have showed just how clueless you are.
Just your claim about the ice being the lowest in 6500 years is a fantasy and even the NSIDC admits there being periods of less ice in the last 1500 years. Chances are there was less ice in the Arctic region in the thirties.
The polar stream is driven by the same factors that drive to AO, PDO, NOA, and other regional ocean atmosphere weather patterns. That shit has been going on since the globe had an atmosphere.