1979 was the peak year for Arctic ice, yet 2012 has more ice around Greenland and Alaska than 1979 did.
The only year which had more ice in Baffin Bay was 1983, but that year had a lot less ice in the Bering Sea.
Scientists have been busy telling us that missing Arctic ice is causing record cold in many places this winter.
Wrong again. I think it’s the fourth article i found tonight spinning around the same subject and you keep making the same mistake. Late 40′s to early 50′s were by very far, the peak seasons over the last century. It’s been declining since then with hickups lows and highs, but with a definite declining thrend for the last 60 years.
Awesome! A new troll.
Reggie sounds like a real Jughead.
Indeed. You can tell he’s a troll, because he claims you’re wrong, but provides no evidence: he just expects you to take his word for it.
Since when do you people respect evidence?
Regg, the beauty of this website is that the claims of warmists are held to the recorded data of years past. When the warmists say 1979 was the peak year, this site produces the records that shows that the warmists are just making up the claim.
From the same source, just look at the data from NOAA (same data Steven shown above). As i usualy said, look at the hole story, not only to the part that suit your needs. It’s a different picture than what was said above.
Call it throll if you want, either you believe the figures as Steven does – or you believe the spin from someone not telling you all the story.
I forgot .. the source : http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/images/ice_extent.gif
I don’t know which source Steve used but I checked Regg’s and found that it goes as far as 1997/8, when all trends but the summer trend were rising. I also note that the sat. photo shows considerably more ice in 2012 than in 1979. So, what are the figures for the last 14 years? Is Regg’s source reliable? Someone please clarify.
Regg says:
March 11, 2012 at 6:01 pm
‘… – or you believe the spin from someone not telling you all the story.’
As you clearly do, like most alarmist cultists.
Are you reading those maps correctly?
It is not the white stuff in the photos, it is the red and purplish colors one should be comparing.
The 1979 photo has more reds and purples – more ice.
Hysterical to use winter ice as the measure, gents, when the issue is how much ice cap remains at the end of summer.
Oh, well.
The problem that Regg has, is that he has the scientifically recorded data, and we just have our own lying eyes. Not that with millions of grant dollars at stake or that the leading luminaries would seek to have your Ph.D. revoked would ever influence their dutiful recording of data in support of their hypothesis.
Snark off!
The large open section of polar ice last year set up “Ocean Effect” snows that blanketed the Northern Hemisphere in late 2011. Continental US was spared, courtesy of La Nina, but Europe and Asia were inundated with powdery albedo. It became so cold due to albedo reflection of incoming sunlight, that the polar ice will surely “recover” this year. But by 2013 and 2014, we’ll be right back to massive open areas of water that through snow deposition, allow greater areas of reflectivity around the Arctic Ocean, colder temperatures in the Arctic high pressure dome, and resulting lower winter temperatures, accompanying snow instead of rain in the middle latitudes. If an El Nino returns, it will be North America’s turn to shovel lots of albedo.
Low Sea-Ice extent in the September – October timeframe is what sets up Ocean Effect early snows around the Arctic edges. In turn, storm tracks edge further south and bring early snows to lower latitudes, adding reflectivity and cooling the air to bring snows even further south.
This is why an open Arctic actually generates colder global temperatures. 2012 will likely be the coldest of the last 15!
If an open Arctic Ocean generatures lower global temperatures then it seems that the system is self-regulating. Global warming decreases Arctic ice cover until a point is reached at which the reduced cover causes global temperatures to fall, wherupon ice cover begins to increase until it reaches an extent which turns off Ocan Effect, causing global temperatures to rise. Meanwhile, the Atlantic Conveyor carries on as normal, contrary to the dire warnings we received in the 90′s.
BullsEye, Les! You hit the target!
Its been this way for many years, except now the >5′ multiyear ice that covered the Arctic through the 80s and 90s, is virtually gone, and the next few open cycles will be much greater in open ocean extent. Within the next 5 years we’ll likely hit 50% open, and more thereafter (after a 1 -2 year recovery). Then the albedo increase will begin in ernest, and the colder polar high will stretch across most of the US with Gulf moisture falling into colder air and albedo increase is inevitable!
Tomwys – you wanna bet…. We’ll get somebody to hold our $5K each and on Jan 1, 2017 if the North Pole is open water you take the cash, if not I do.
I want to live by the sea in a hot country but I cannot afford to move. If the warmists are correct I’ll get what I want without moving. I hope they’re right. Bugger the Arctic ice.
“Tomwys – you wanna bet…. We’ll get somebody to hold our $5K each and on Jan 1, 2017 if the North Pole is open water you take the cash, if not I do.”
Some reading lessons are in order for you, Lemon: Here’s what I posted:
“Within the next 5 years we’ll likely hit 50% open, and more thereafter (after a 1 -2 year recovery).”
I’ll get a bottle of decent Moscato from you if we hit 50% open by September 2017!
My cup will runneth over!
These photos are obviously being misinterpreted. They appear to show that all of continental Russia and Canada were ice-free in 1979 but covered in ice today. Both claims are false.