Under the guiding hand of CEO *Barack Obama, GM has turned out the most useless automobile ever invented.
Meet the Roberts electric car. Built in 1896, it gets a solid 40 miles to the charge — exactly the mileage Chevrolet advertises for the Volt, the highly touted $31,645 electric car General Motors CEO Dan Akerson called “not a step forward, but a leap forward.”
The executives at Chevrolet can rest easy for now. Since the Roberts was constructed in an age before Henry Ford’s mass production, the 115-year-old electric car is one of a kind.
But don’t let the car’s advanced age let you think it isn’t tough: Its present-day owner, who prefers not to be named, told The Daily Caller it still runs like a charm, and has even completed the roughly 60-mile London to Brighton Vintage Car Race.
* Prior to his stint as CEO of GM, Barack Obama served as a community organizer in Chicago
h/t to Marc Morano
Apart from poor performance and short range, the big problem with electric and hybrid cars is that the manufacture of them does more harm to the environment than the building AND running of traditional cars. And of course, fossil or nuclear fuels have to be used to generate the electricity to recharge them.
Ferdinand Porsche built one of the first EVs, the Semper Vivus which was shown at the World Exhibit in 1900, it had a range of 32 miles based on 410 kg of lead acid batteries. The same year he added two more electric motors to the design which marked the first AWD car.
While everyone seems to credit Toyota with the invention of the hybrid car that isn’t true, either. It was actually Porsche as well who came up with and implemented the idea with the Lohner-Porsche in 1902 in response to the limit range of the Semper Vivus. The Vienna fire department owned and operated 40 of these, some were in use as cabs in Berlin and a total of 300 were made.
Audi revisited the idea in 1997 with the first mass produced commercially available hybrid car, the Audi A4 Duo Mk. 3 powered by a diesel/electric drivetrain – which flopped due to weak demand but slightly predated the introduction of the Prius. The first prototype of the system was the 1990 Audi 100 Duo Avant.
And here it is:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1055830_porsche-recreates-the-original-hybrid-car-111-years-later
What exactly is a community organizer ? Is it a payed job or is it voluntarily? What do they organize?
To understand Obama’s worldview we must familiarize ourselves with one of his mentors, Saul Alinsky, author of “Rules for Radicals”. He is credited with originating the term “community organizer”. Alinsky was a hard-core socialist and whether they are paid or volunteers naturally also tend to be socialists. For some reason the media either ignore or downplay these sobering realities.
So Obama is a socialist. But we know that sosialisme does not work.
The Current State of World Affairs | Murray N. Rothbard
http://youtu.be/jwz0BYqOhMI
recorded at the 1989 Texas State Libertarian Conference.
1989
The link to the Daily Caller article appears to be broken. Here it is, corrected. http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/14/114-year-old-electric-car-gets-same-40-miles-to-the-charge-as-chevy-volt/
No thread about electric cars can be complete without a mention of the Sinclair C5 :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5
I had a Sinclair Spectrum!!
Apparently Barack Obama wants to buy a Chevy Volt when he leaves office.
http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/292676/volt-unplugged-henry-payne
Presumably this car would require bullet proof glass and heavy armour, hate to think what that would do to the vehicles range.
The status quo of electric cars: better batteries, same range
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-better-batteries-same-range.html
Better horsepower to weight for the older electric cars.
What’s the range on electric power only when using the heater, defroster or air conditioner?
BTW: Did anybody ever watch the short-lived “Michael Richards Show” about a decade ago? There was an episode where a co-worker decided to downsize his life, complete with an EV. They were following a suspect’s car, when Kramer (not the character’s actual name, but whatever) turned on the CD player, whereupon the EV stopped dead. That was perhaps the funniest bit in all the episodes.
“Irrational exhuberance” is the term that I feel best describes the ideology driven movement behind the “ready, FIRE, aim” rush into green products.
Here is another example of disasterous consequences resulting from poor decision making and premature product launch. Where is the outrage??????
From the folks who want to endow vegetables with legal rights, comes the idea of modifying humans to deal with climate change. It was only a matter of time and really is anyone surprised by these folks? Of course not.
Yes from the folks that fear and want to ban GM crops comes the idea that we should consider genetically modified humans to use less energy and alter consumption of resources. Such modifications could be for example “cat eyes” to reduce the need for lighting at night. There would also be designer drugs that we could (be forced to?) take that would alter our food desire and rejecting meat and becoming vegetarians for example. Or just imagine the green utopia waiting for us if we breed humans to be no bigger than the Munchkins in the Wizard of Oz which would reduce consumption of resources. Ahhh yes “what a beautiful world this will be, what a glorious time to be free”.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/03/how-human-engineering-could-be-the-solution-to-climate-change/253981/
Story on SEC investigating electric car manufacturer.
http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/03/12/fisker%E2%80%99s-private-fundraisers-face-sec-investigation
http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/index.html
I hate the comparison to cell phone technology – that as technology advances we can shrink the size of the electric car batteries. Never mind that miniaturizing electronics is very different from increasing the energy density of an electric battery (you cannot compress the reactants), and we are near the theoretical maximum anyway.
We should not be subsidizing these cars, which amounts to wealth transfer from the future taxpayer to the current rich (avg income of Volt purchaser, $175K). I would support govt funding (much cheaper by an order of magnitude) of basic science research into fusion, and cheaper practical fuel cell and fission technology, LENR (decades away from practicality, at best).
Load up that old pram with modern cells and it will have a 600 mile range. Those heavy old lead acid batteries don’t last two years. New Li-automotive cells will easily cover a decade.
The Volt, no matter what anyone says, is a “gas” fueled car. ok, so many get well over 500mpge out of it. but that’s because few do over 40 miles in any day and plug it in before bedtime.
Les,
I don’t want to sound nasty but you really should understand these new cells contain NO dangerous metals or substances. The running gear does not require much if any servicing at all. I suggest you drag race against the average electric car. I doubt you’ll win.
And to firmly spit on the anti-ev bonfire, an Australian guy drove his bog standard 0-60 in 3.6seconds, 14second 1/4 mile Tesla for over 330 miles non-stop on a single charge.
Jack Rickard parked his ev at the restaurant for a nice meal with his wife. Being a thoughtful man parking on a dark road, he left his LED side lights on. On noticing this several people came to him warning about wasting his 27Kwh battery with the lights on. The fact was he left his 4Kw heater running so when they stepped back in the car two hours later they were toasty warm. What about it? It’s affordable and doesn’t result in the cops towing it away from leaving the engine running.
“The Volt, no matter what anyone says, is a “gas” fueled car. ok, so many get well over 500mpge out of it. ” –
They paid for their fuel upfront when the bought a $17K car for $40K, and factoring that in it doesn’t quite work out to 500mpg.
A 14 second quarter mile in a 2 seat “sportscar” that costs around $100K is pathetic. It also has a top speed of about 120mph… pathetic. Don’t be a magazine racer.
People don’t buy sports cars to go over the speed limit. If you want to go faster, they go by train or plane because they can afford it.
People will buy a sports car for its looks, the “get up and go” and the feel of the drive. They do not buy these pathetic vehicles for any value proposition. I certainly would never buy any of these cars. Regardless of the fuel source.
FYI, there are very few “gas” cars costing $100k that do 0~60 in 3.5 seconds especially one that comes with no gearbox. The Tesla is a Sunday car (mostly).
It’s you who is the “magazine racer”. Pathetic. lol
Volt/Ampera:
$40k-$17K = $23k. UK fuel costs are ~£1.40/litre. Assume 10 miles a litre (40US mpg). 100k.miles life use is £14k fuel alone.
($22.6k) Now lets add on all your consumables and servicing costs that lives around your engine and transmission. Then the the extra road taxation ($3200). Nowshould I rub it in over the hassle of a gearbox and clutch?
Some value proposition.
Not so in the EU and the warmongers have bought long on oil. They, (me too) are going to make another killing on Joe public with rising fuel prices.
You don’t know much about performance cars?
#1 People that buy performance cars often take them to open track days and what we here in the USA call test & tunes @ The local dragstrip. Some people even race them in events like the SCCA, Silver State classic & the Texas mile (look’em up). Although for many they’re just luxury accoutrement. The performance of your car will be put to the test, and if you have a Tesla you’re going to get clowned at the track.
#2 As far as magazine racing your 3.5 sec to 60 mph this is weak. It is an product of the electric vehicle’s torque curve and sticky tires. You’re going to get walked with the Tesla’s fairly unimpressive quarter mile ET and lack luster trap speed. In the USA we have a concept of bang for the buck when it comes to cars and their performance. The Tesla fails miserably. This can also be verified by the kit kar’s miniscule sales.
#3 Your cost justification for the Volt is a joke. The jury has already spoken that it makes no finacial sense even after concumer tax credits et al. That’s why nobody is buying the car or your BS numbers in the EU or USA.
Plenty of electric cars will clown a Tesla. This has 800hp and a 150 mile range:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssXZ6BUOT2g
You are going nowhere with this argument. You are comparing apples with oranges.
An F1 car will be laughed at if entered into a rally. Lotus faced derision at those Yankie ovals. with its little engine. There are literally dozens of races series. Your type of track day car is a hell of a lot more expensive to run and merely track day.
And cannot compare with the likes of this real world vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsGeQby7Jnw
“Clowned on”. Thats the same sort of expression given to the early net-heads, like me. Before you all sheepishly followed. The reality as usual belongs to humans calling others for what they are themselves.
As goes range and recharging. At this time now. A whole slew of European Tesla owners are driving down Europe. A guy near me is travelling 1,600 miles to get there.
How many clowns in track day cars do this?
Dammit! This sites sql server broke down. must be gas powered.
1: Track day gas cars are not luxury sports cars.
2: Track day sports cars actually have crap 0~60 times due to race gearboxes. (Engines are not torquey enough).
3: Do the maths. I did and proved it. But millions of sheep will carry on bleating.
The Tesla is a Lotus Exige with refinements. It’s quality of drive takes the base car into far higher levels than its size suggests. In fact its at $100k levels.
I hear no credibility. Jeremy Clarkson took the p1ss out of this car yet he has bought a Gt40. 175 miles range (against 330 max Tesla) and 10 miles when raced. Yet he said 55 miles on a raced Tesla was poor.
“Some analysts say the Ford GT, which will hit some showrooms by mid-2004 with a price tag approaching $150,000″. says it all.
Next you’ll be sating hydrogen is the way to go.
1: Track day gas cars are not luxury sports cars.
This is appropos of nothing that I ever said, and it’s not true either. Porsche 911, Corvettes, BMW M3′s, Ferraris, and Vipers are all sportscars that have an element of luxury to them, and they are all open track day favorites. Nobody nowadays is going lay down big dough for a car/supercar that doesn’t have the requisite luxury accoutrement unless they are serious racers. Perhaps you don’t understand what an open track day car is. It is a normal road driven performance car that the owner occasionally flogs at various closed circuit events.
http://www.sandia-speedway.com/2010/09/09/open-track-days/
2: Track day sports cars actually have crap 0~60 times due to race gearboxes. (Engines are not torquey enough).
Here is where you reveal that you know dick about cars. You’re factually incorrect and it’s a stupid comment.
a) I can name dozens of cars that make more PEAK torque than the Tesla’s pedestrian 295 lbs-ft of torque. Some of these cars cost roughly 1/3 the cost of a Tesla.
b) Track day cars have stock transmissions or variants on stock transmissions. What is even your point with this comment?
c) Even if the Tesla had the world’s greatest 0-60 time (it doesn’t) It would still be the same slow-ass car. 0-60 is for magazine racing. It’s a very narrowly defined criteria. It may be somewhat useful when comparing 2 similar cars, but it proves nothing when comparing a conventional car with an EV because the trade offs are much different. EX: a convetional car with a 3.6 sec 0-60 translates to around a sub 12 sec quarter mile while the Tesla is pushing 13 sec.
3: Do the maths. I did and proved it. But millions of sheep will carry on bleating.
What “maths” ?
Jeremy Clarkson is not considered some car authority over here, but nobody remotely interested with car performance would take a Tesla over a Ford GT. It’s a no-brainer. If you line up a Ford GT against a Tesla roadster the Tesla is going to get RAPED.
Ford GT,
0 – 60, 3.3 -3.6
1/4 mile, 11.6 – 11.8
HP, 550
TQ, 500 lb-ft.
top speed, 212 mph
———————————-
Tesla,
0 – 60, 3.7
1/4 mile, 12.7
HP, 300
TQ, 295 lb-ft.
top speed, 125 mph (LOL!)
A comment from the Washington post:
“The Damiler company has sold hardly any of their innovative vichicle and no wonder, the science just does not support it.
Stubborn Scientific Fact No. 1: a gallon of petrol will take it only a few miles. A horse can pull a cart all day.
Stubborn Scientific Fact No. 2: There is no infrastructure to provide petrol. A horse can drink any water and can even eat grass if necessary.
Stubborn Scientific Fact No. 3: If the petrol engine breaks down, the vichicle is worthless. If the horse breaks down, you can just replace it with another horse, which you can find anywhere.
Stubborn Scientific Fact No. 4: The automobile depends on a huge government subsidy to be practical. A horse can pull a cart over any kind of ground, dirt, mud, ruts, ridges. The automobile requires a nonexistent network of smooth, paved roads that can only be provided by a massive government subsidy.
Certainly the many hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars that the U.S. government, state and local government must pour into this effort might be better spent on more plausible energy-efficiency efforts, such as improved horse drawn carts.”
MrC
No:
http://www.buggy.com/
The automobile provides very well defined benefits in performance etc over the horse drawn carriage. What exactly performance wise does an EV have over a conventional vehicle?
Andyj says: March 13, 2012 at 1:49 am
Les,
I don’t want to sound nasty but you really should understand these new cells contain NO dangerous metals or substances.
Well the No dangerous metals are the leading suspect in bring down a B747F, plus a fire and explosion and numerous laptop fires.
The UAE investigators caution that information could still become available that would alter the report. But it’s clear at this point that lithium batteries, given the wrong combination of elements, can be dangerous at various stages in their production, shipment, use and disposal.
Late in 2009, battery recycler Toxco attributed multiple explosions and a major fire at its storage facility in Trail, British Columbia, to an internal short in one of the batteries in storage. In years past, reports and photos of laptop fires caused by overheated lithium batteries have also stoked these fears.
Just last year, in response to the deadly UPS crash near Dubai, the Federal Aviation Administration issued a safety alert on transporting lithium batteries in the cargo hold of an aircraft. The FAA advised airlines to request that customers identify bulk shipments of lithium batteries, and to stow these shipments in sections equipped with fire-suppression systems. “Lithium-ion cells are flammable and capable of self-ignition,” the agency wrote. There can be a number of triggers for self-ignition, such as “when a battery short circuits, is overcharged, is heated to extreme temperatures, is mishandled, or is otherwise defective.”
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/lithium-ion-batteries-faulted-for-jet-crash/
Label on box: Inflammable when damaged. Blame DHL for slinging stuff around.
The oxide Li cells are the most dangerous when abused. youtube video’s abound of kids sawing, smashing and shooting automotive Li cells and barely making them produce smoke.
These cells are 100% safe. In fact they are now fitment on aircraft systems.
The bottom part is correct.
But only an idiot would do that right?
Oh, and another thing. The Volt fires. Here’s the advert:
Two cars smash head to head. One is a Volt, the other “gas” powered.
BANG!
The gas powered car busts its fuel line and ignites into an instant conflagration. The Volt driver has three weeks to get out before he is burned alive.
20% of all reported fires are car fires.
Here’s one from near my place. Went up for no reason known.
The Volt is already going down in flames. They already have halted production, Fisker has all kinds of problems. The SEC is investigating them, and the Tesla kit car is a joke. The only reason these entities exist is through MASSIVE government subsidy.
I don’t know if the volt is significantly more dangerous than a conventional car in terms of a fire risk. I don’t really care because like most people I’m not interested in buying one. Anyway a Volt has a conventional gasoline car’s fuel system risks and all of the risks associated with a huge lithium-ion battery, which aren’t trivial.
Nobody is going to beef with the EV if it could actually serve a legitimate purpose and carve out its own niche in the marketplace based on legitimate market demand. Get back to us when it can. We’re paying $250K per copy for the Volt, and we’ve sunk HUGE sums of money into the Fisker and Tesla “sedan” for What?
Tesla on ABC World News Oct 25th, 2011… | Forums | Tesla Motors
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/…/tesla-abc-world-news-oct-25th-2011…Cached
You +1′d this publicly. Undo
25 Oct 2011 – The interviewer questioned Tesla VP Diarmuid O’Connell, with regard to their SEC filings … Tesla loan is not subsidies or bailout money.
Pure comedy gold;
Electric car subsidies: We’ll need ‘em for years
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/06/autos/fortune_brainstorm_green_electric_car_future/index.htm
Welfare-Case Companies: Tesla and Electric Car Makers
Why have you addressed this to me? You mistake me for someone else.
Odd how *Most* real track day cars are hitting $100k, same as a Tesla. What does 212 mph mean to me? Little. My last bike was far more scary, almost as quick in the real world and cheap as chips. I now get a bigger high out of paragliding and have the resources to buy car toys but guess what. I consider them too puerile
A Tesla getting raped by Clarksons GT40 won’t last long. the Tesla will pass it when your big boys car runs out of juice. Love the irony. Note who are the sponsors to top gear.
Peak torque? I had a ‘bike cammed with a high peak torque for fast tracks. It was SHIT! Useless on the road,. On the track required, YES! A bloody race gearbox. Tesla’s car gives this torque from standstill to over 100mph with no interruption cogging those gears. Thats a quality of ride no other manf’r can offer.
Tesla vs 911 turbo motorsport:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxveY1R2pws
There are plenty of road going electric cars that can eat a Tesla for breakfast and costed far less to produce. This was 400hp (280Kph) on this video, now 650hp, enjoy him pissing off pricey cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX-_azD2vNo
The USA.. Didn’t even bother with a ‘box:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsGeQby7Jnw
White Zombie Run 2: 10.400 @ 117.21 – PIR 2010/07/30 eating fueled cars:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVTIpS5zb4
Why have you not driven a Tesla or a Leaf? I dare you. For the money, the Leafs a very tempting proposition. On long term it’s possibly the cheapest car to own dust to dust (bar none) in the EU.
Seriously, You cannot sell me any fuel car anymore. The engineering is an arse. A dead end technology. The warhawks have all bought long on oil (like me) to make a profit from the sheep. It’s got no future, production has no spare capacity and its output is downhill from now on. You cannot sell it any other way. You might love to drive a track day car on the road. I see no pleasure.
If/when they do perfect the Lithium air cell you can kiss fuel oil car production goodbye. At 1.1KWH/Kg, (5x present capacity) there is no exaggeration in my statement.
Odd how *Most* real track day cars are hitting $100k, same as a Tesla. What does 212 mph mean to me? Little. My last bike was far more scary…
Shovel the BS deeper and deeper. There are plenty of cars that cost under $60K that will rape a Tesla. Any c5 or c6 Corvette from the lowest to the highest will beat a Tesla. The science is settled on that one. 212 mph means about 100mph faster than a Tesla. Typical BS’er when we’re talking cars and you’re losing start talking bikes. FYI the fastest production Motorcycle, Suzuki Hayabusa, doesn’t crack 200mph.
A Tesla getting raped by Clarksons GT40 won’t last long. the Tesla will pass it when your big boys car runs out of juice…
Once again try to invent some artificial circumstance to attempt to make an EV look good. In the real world a Ford GT or GT40 can stop and fuel and then return to the track and put more laps on a Tesla. When the Tesla stops for fuel it’s all over. If a Ford GT actually competed against a Tesla in an endurance race… well hell nobody’s dumb enough to even attempt that.
Peak torque? I had a ‘bike cammed with a high peak torque for fast tracks. It was SHIT! Useless on the road,. On the track required, YES! A bloody race gearbox.
This is just lame. A motorcycle has a countershaft sprocket and a rear sprocket there no need to swap out the internal gearing to gear a bike for a track. Why would someone take a motorcycle that is tuned and geared for the track and think that it would make a good street bike? (weird) A bike’s gear box is integral with the engine. You can’t install a race “gear box”. You have to change gears or gear sets. You also seem to confuse torque with HP. If low end torque was the be all end all then people would be racing with diesel tracktor motors. You seize upon one and only aspect that the EV somewhat has in it’s favor, and you conflate this one characteristic into some monumental superiority. It’s not. At no point at anytime is a Tesla going faster than a Ford GT at any stage of any race(period)
I didn’t watch any of the videos. For any fast EV’s you have I can show you 100 videos of a faster conventionally fueled car as the fastest cars in the world all run on gasoline, nitromethane, alcohol, or they’re jet powered.
Why have you not driven a Tesla or a Leaf? I dare you. For the money, the Leafs a very tempting proposition. On long term it’s possibly the cheapest car to own dust to dust (bar none) in the EU.
I wouldn’t drive a Leaf… too gay. I also have a long commute so It’s a joke. The Leaf’s miniscule sales tell me it’s a loser. I already have a 20 year old blown Mustang, which is actually pretty mild, that will beat a Tesla in the 1/4 mile.
If/when they do perfect the Lithium air cell you can kiss fuel oil car production goodbye…
Yeah, call us in 20 years when this technology becomes viable and installed in cars. Don’t call if it never develops.
Chevrolet Volt – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt
Range, 379 miles (610 km) (EPA). Electric Range, 35 … The Chevrolet Volt is a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle manufactured by General Motors.
The Volt is similar to any pointless plug in “hybrid”.
Present Li batt has killed the fuel engine in models already. It took five years, not 20. Now they can do things unheard of a decade ago.
Joe, your bigotry is amazing. The point is, all these cars are road legal and are used on the road. I’m not interested how fast you can go by placing your ashes in the explosives section of an ASRAAM missile. Not practical but making, testing, and being there for the field tests was.
Normal road going ev’s are outpacing half million dollar cars. Live with it.
There is a Moores law on Cells. Once again, you have to live with it.
I’ve driven these gay Tesla/Leaf and liked!
I have no inferiority complex on my sexuality. I guess that’s hard to understand in the USA.
One guy was asked how long would be the pay back on his ev. He got his calculator out, dabbled. Put it back in his pocket and said about three seconds after he turned the key.
Poor sales are not indicative of anything except the average iq is only 100.
You have to drive far. Your quality of life is shit and makes you poorer for it. I once did (60mile x 4day week) runs for three years. Easy EV range and would of added me £2k ($3k) profit. Plus another ($900) road tax saving. Yup, Leaf would of paid itself level in 3 years to a shitty diesel.
Few road legal track day races go over 50 miles. Your point being?
GT40 on a track: 10 miles:- another 17 gallons please. FFS. The cars a joke! Which in UK prices is $2/mile fuel alone! Clarkson bought a piece of shit and says 200+mile/55 raced Tesla is poor!!!!
You know whats so boring about electric drag racers? They don’t cost thousands of dollars per session just for upkeep. They bring ‘em and wring ‘em. The “BlackCurrent” hit 9 seconds and its a beetle. At a fraction of the cost of the big gassers and far more simple to build and afford.
As goes being raped by $60k track day cars. I don’t know of one I would care to possess. The hassle of ownership puts me off cold. And to think an old electric Beemer from Serbia could rape me even if I paid well over $4ook. I supplied plenty of proof. Your turn.
What the hell are you on about altering the final drive of a bike for the track? Defines knowing nothing. Obviously you have never heard of a close ratio gearbox; they give bikes the edge on tracks with higher racing speeds. A highly cammed engine has all its power up on the top end where the gas flow is driven more by resonance and velocity. I love torque, and refinement fuel engines cannot and do not satisfy me.
Another thing. Care to fill my vehicles up when they are empty please. I’m sick to death of arsing around, queuing up at “gas” stations, being pissed about with filling up at the pump where the card machine is often broken or faulty. Twice I’ve been overcharged. I threatened Tesco the last time with court action and publicity. Yah, and the risks of card cloning off the foreign jerks at all night stations isn’t very nice. Not to mention having to get out of the house in the pissing wind and rain. at stupid hours because I had to work or “be somewhere”. My girlfriend wants an EV to charge at home because she’s not happy with guys gawping at her at fuel stations. That’s the price of gorgeousness being driven around. She’s not bad either. x
With an EV there’s no such hassles.
The quality of your life is shit. I’d move! Have big ‘n lumpy in my bike but enjoyed my old Rover Metro GTi go-kart with a Sun roof as a car. Our scrapyards are full of impractical cars with dead turbo’s. I am so not interested in bolting on more garbage.
I’m going for an MOT test today. There’s a 50% chance of failure due to the engine train. More shite I can’t be arsed with. I’m soo tempted to upgrade my nice car converting a van to electric, which is exempt.
So why didn’t you watch top notch fast cars that cost the Earth getting totally RAPED by a road legal ev?
So sad, won’t learn yet you claim to know.
You’re comments are getting sillier and further all over the map with each succeeding post. You’re trying to come off like you’re on one hand independently wealthy and vastly superior to the sheeple, but on the other hand you’re whining about the difficulty and cost of going to a gas station and buying gasoline, which is something even the sheeple can manage uneventfully.
You have repeatedly called commodity speculators “warmongers” exempting yourself, of course, (you being the big money man driving the sub-compact Nissan Leaf that you are) this kind of prejudice consigns you to the nutter category.
Present Li batt has killed the fuel engine in models already. It took five years, not 20. Now they can do things unheard of a decade ago.
I’m not sure what you’re even trying to say here, but a model doesn’t necessarrilly scale up to a full sized vehicle. Pretty much everyone knows that.
Normal road going ev’s are outpacing half million dollar cars. Live with it… There is a Moores law on Cells. Once again, you have to live with it.
Moore’s law is a rule of thumb in the history of computing hardware whereby the number of transistors that can be placed inexpensively on an integrated circuit doubles approximately every two years. – Wiki
You’re starting to sound like one of the clowns that inhabit the website Gas2. You’re throwing around jargon to make it appear that you’re knowledgeable on a subject that you do not understand. So-called Moore’s law is an axiom regarding computing hardware. It is not a hard and fast scientic formula, and It never has been shown to be applicale to battery technology. I have no idea what you’re talking about in terms of EV’s “outpacing half million dollar cars”. EV’s aren’t outpacing anything even cheap economy cars.
Few road legal track day races go over 50 miles. Your point being? GT40 on a track: 10 miles:- another 17 gallons please. FFS. The cars a joke! Which in UK prices is $2/mile fuel alone! Clarkson bought a piece of shit and says 200+mile/55 raced Tesla is poor!!!!
This is cretinous. Guys don’t race cars to conserve fuel. Even the mfr’s of the Tesla would admit that a Tesla is not in the same league as a Ford GT/Gt40. On a high speed track a Tesla would literally be a hazard to faster traffic. Everybody that reads this thread can see their comparative performance numbers, which I posted earlier. Do you think that you can contravene those number with a blizzard of BS?
As goes being raped by $60k track day cars. I don’t know of one I would care to possess. The hassle of ownership puts me off cold. And to think an old electric Beemer from Serbia could rape me even if I paid well over $4ook. I supplied plenty of proof. Your turn. PROOF OF WHAT?
News Flash; What you care to own is irrelevent. Of the myriad cars under $60K dollars that outperform the Tesla every single one of them has outsold the Tesla. Tesla claims to have produced a grand total of 1000 units over the entire lifetime of the now defunct with no successor roadster. The Corvette, for example, sold close to 10K units for each year that the Tesla roadster existed and is still going strong so the peeps voted with their dollars.
Dear Friedman: There Is No Moore’s Law for Batteries
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/dear-friedman-there-is-no-moores-law-for-batteries/
When It Comes to Car Batteries, Moore’s Law Does Not Compute
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/when-it-comes-to-car-batteries-moores-law-does-not-compute/
The problem of what many consider to be the poor improvement in battery performance is the bane of all professional battery folks—especially in the Bay Area, where (sadly) people know Moore’s “law” better than they know Faraday’s law (no prizes for guessing which one is a real physical law). – Venkat Srinivasan
No prize for you, Andy.