Katherine Hayhoe fascinates me, because she seamlessly integrates her two religions – while violating the fundamental tenets of both. Science and Christianity both demand honesty.
she stated “I’ve been here (in Lubbock) for five years and in five years …… we’ve had two 100-year rain events.”
We have already seen that, although there was one heavy localised storm in Lubbock on 11th Sep 2008, this sort of rainfall was not unusual in West Texas. The local National Weather Service also confirmed that it was caused by “Moisture brought in from Tropical Storm Lowell in the Pacific Ocean, low lying moisture and a front combined to create the flood”. In other words, nothing to do with global warming.
However, the second event she refers to seems to be a bit of a mystery. According to Weather Underground records, since 2004 the next highest day’s rainfall in Lubbock was 83mm on 3rd July 2010. This can hardly be called a “100 year event”, Katharine. This sort of rainfall comes along every couple of years on average in that part of Texas.
Below is a graph of the 100 rainiest days in Crosbyton, Texas (the closest USHCN station to Lubbock.) Only one of the top ten rains has been in the last ten years. Two of the three rainiest days occurred in 1913. The rainiest day occurred in 1913. There is no evidence of a trend towards heavier rains.
Katherine seems to have no difficulty bearing false witness about the climate, while claiming to be a Christian and a scientist.
Steve,
Is there no way to hide the dam data???
Our God is the God of Truth, and scripture calls Satan the “father of lies.” So telling the truth (with compassion and gentleness, of course) is almost always required of a Christian (though sometimes silence is wiser). The exception is when a great harm would be done by honesty, the two classic examples being:
1. SS: “Fräulein, are you harboring any Jews in your house?”
2. Wife: “Honey, do I look fat?”
That made me laugh! Genuine truth and humor in the same comment.
The warming alarmists seem to be following this principle:
“What I tell you three times is true.”~ Lewis Carroll
Hayhoe’s Christianity is like Bill Clinton’s oversized Bible just there to hustle middle America.
Something tells me Hayhoe’s 100-year rain events are like college football’s ‘game of the century’ we get one of those about every other year at least. It’s hype.
Hurricane predictors admit they can’t predict — quitting because it doesn’t work…
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/mobile/story.html?id=5847032
That is such an excellent point. We all know some gullible pious religious folk that are naieve enough to have been easily duped into the AGW cult.
That sentence is like kryptonite in these cases. Use it! I know I will.
I assume you refer to the hippies, who are religious about atheism and humanism? There are, after all, the majority of rabid AGW defenders.
As for the gullible religious Christians: their big mistake is not accepting that scientists are, in general, lying scumbags. And that is perhaps an understandable mistake.
Did you check if there’s a clause that permits lying to disbelievers? Islam has one of those.
Islam does ‘permit’ lying to non-Muslims: about matters of private gain.
When it comes to talking about Islam itself, the ‘permit’ changes to ‘commands’.
Just being clear.
She may not be lying….
“Lying…it all has to do with your state of mind…”
— Eric Holder, United States Attorney General
I give her the benefit of the doubt. Her calculator might have trouble adding upto 2.
In a word – NO!
In doing this she is breaking one of the most important tenets of the Christian Faith and cannot claim to be one.
I asked this very question days ago. Her husband should be able to help her with at least the ‘shalts’ and ‘shalt nots’. But the basic problem with Katy is the same with virtually all leftists, they ‘feel’ instead of ‘think’. This corrupts both religion and science. Many people believe you must check your reason at the church door, I do not. I find the further I explore science the more my wonder and awe grows. Science and religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive, and certainly truth and science or truth and religion should never be mutually exclusive.
Katy has become self deluded by following false prophets.
“Many people believe you must check your reason at the church door, I do not. I find the further I explore science the more my wonder and awe grows. Science and religion are not necessarily mutually exclusive, and certainly truth and science or truth and religion should never be mutually exclusive.”
That about sums it up for me as well … I couldn’t have said it better.
‘Truth’ in science is not monitored, therefore you may not assume that it exists.
As a practical matter, given that scientists often are ideological fanatics who lie, who slant conclusions, etc etc, I would say that science as practiced is completely incompatible with Christianity.
Lies and truth do not mix.
Also. It is not that the hippies ‘feel’: the problem is that they do not CARE if they are in error. This is what it means to be lawLESS – to neither be hot and care about truth, nor be cold and hate truth: hippies just don’t care one way or the other. Hippies do not error-check, nor do they error-correct: that is the functional difference.
“I would say that science as practiced is completely incompatible with Christianity.”
That may be the case now for many scientists, but it shouldn’t be. The two should go hand in hand, as they do for me. Steve hit the nail on the head when he said, “Science and Christianity both demand honesty.” Amen.
Does Jesus give an exemption when you need grant money to feed your lifestyle and also want to be a media darling? Sounds more like prostitution to me!
In five years she hasn’t had two 100% truth events.
Somehow whenever I see Hayhoe’s name things one of two things come to mind.
When I’m in a great mood it is that song from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: Hi-ho, Hi-ho, it’s off to work we go… with variations on the wording to fit this story.
When I’m more cranky I’m hearing somebody shouting out her name at night on a city street corner.
All this delirium is undoubtedly due to The Warming.
Katherine Hayhoe fascinates me, because she seamlessly integrates her two religions –========================================
Steven, You Wascally Wabbit why did you have to expand. I would have savored filling in the blanks myself. My first thought for one of the religions was AGW. You had to put Christianity in one of the slots, so now I cannot be flippant about the other.
Environmental Scientist Caught Agreeing To Ignore Her Own Data, Make Up New Claims.
http://wizbangblog.com/2011/12/12/ann-maest/
Sundance,
That video is devastating.
I’d like to hear Hayhoe explain how she is substantively different than Maest.
Why would anyone think that honesty is a fundamental part of science? Mmmm?
In fact, why not lie? “If done right, there is no defense”, as was famously said to a kid.
Here is the thing: if some given ‘thing’ is not ever monitored, then people being people WILL bring in corruption. Simply ‘assuming’ honesty amongst professional scientists stands counter to what both history and personal experience says about people – and more specifically those who rise to power within any grouping, and certainly where such groups have influence of any kind. And just how influential is ‘science’ in the world today? Mmmm?
Neither positive nor negative tests (non-trivial) are EVER performed concerning the existence of this mystical ‘substance’ named ‘honesty’, yet it is assumed to exist so strongly that even vague indications of its absence seem to arouse great upset.
I would contend that this assumption of ‘honesty’ borders on being childishly stupid. It has no place in adult conversation. As with unicorns, first prove existence, only then speak seriously about it.
Lets take the best example of this on the planet: in fact, the rampant DIShonesty which is so prevalent (for something so comparatively unimportant to the hippies as AGW) almost certainly is rooted in another branch of ‘science’: namely the settled consensus science of Evolution.
When it comes to the Theory of Evolution (ToE), all the stops are pulled out. Where AGW is of relatively little importance to the hippies, ToE is the very foundational rock of their entire existences, their entire world-view. ANY weaknesses in ToE equivalent to actual proof that God does not exist to someone who is religious: YET here is this highly pernicious assumption of honesty to be found yet again… despite the !incredible! degree of conflict-of-interest present.
‘Science’ is the religious practice of the hippies, so there is some internal conflict when it comes to actually, you know, lying about stuff: unimportant stuff like AGW. This is NOT however the case when it comes to ToE: the ‘Fact of Evolution’ is MORE important to the hippies than ‘science’ itself, than reason itself, than either fact or logic.
There is not space to properly address this here, yet if I do not try, then what I wrote will surely be buried under heaps of derision and contempt. So a few minor, minor points. For those who are not mindlessly fanatical about humanism.
* The definition of Evolution is (yes, it is): ‘decent with modification’. In other words, there must be offspring, and that offspring must be different from the parents.
* Trivially, this is true of every human child: but not so trivially it turns out – the definition (there are others, but they all boil down to this) does stand as it is, after all.
* If you do not know what an ‘allele’ is, go to wikipedia before reading further: you are extremely ignorant, so correct the problem.
* Viruses and bacteria ‘evolve’ by stealing whole, entire, complete genes-alleles from their environment: note that there is no new genetic information, also note that THESE are peer-reviewed examples of EVIDENCE of ToE. No, I am not lying.
* From the existence of alleles follows the real-world phenomenon Natural Selection: it can be simply described as ‘nature’, or rather abstracted ‘forces’ in it, playing LEGO with alleles. That is it. (THIS IS NATURAL SELECTION AS IT EXISTS IN THE REAL WORLD, RIGHT NOW: all else is fluffy supposition.) Again, no new genes-alleles. And yet again ‘evidence’ of ToE.
* Now. The stupid religious people would insist that the concept of ToE ONLY be applicable to new genes-alleles. But they are not the consensus scientists, so they have no say. More than that, with what happens with viruses & bacteria, and with NatSel, the Theory of Evolution HAS BEEN EVIDENCED: circular logic, to put it mildly, but no one is allowed to disagree. Ever. Or else.
So yes, ToE has been proven, scientifically. Per definition.
The above is trivial to verify.
As another trivial evidence of the deep corruption of the ‘science’ of Evolution, do consider the following: natural selection (LEGO with alleles) happens very quickly. It also requires no new genes. It could change a wolf into a Pekingese: no new genes required. There are two questions, or rather problems: is the fossil record a ‘record’ of Evolution in action, or a record of Natural Selection in action? (A rhetorical question, and a trivial one at that.) The next question is the disturbing one: go and read examples of nat-sel in nature, and specifically how fast it is: now please do explain the prevalence of very long periods of biological stasis in the ‘fossil record.’
A point which follows from some of the above: does the phrase ‘transitional fossil’, as used and commonly understood, have any MEANING?
Finally consider two more of the main ‘evidences’ of ToE: atavism and vestigial organs. To literally shatter them, simply consider what nat-sel can do; it can turn certain genes-alleles on or off. That’s it. Trivially obvious, is it not? Yet the ‘science’ marches on…
Let me therefore conclude this rambling essay and say this: Wake up and smell the sewage: it is named science.