Our very own Kevin O’Neill …. No matter how much information he is given from no matter how many experts, he closes his ears and eyes.
Clarence and Richmond Examiner (Grafton, NSW) Tuesday 31 July 1906
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61454507
The current Greenland warming, while not yet quite matching the temperatures of 70 years ago …..
“Examination of several proxy records (e.g., sediment cores) of sea ice indicate ice-free or near ice-free summer conditions for at least some time during the period of 15,000 to 5,000 years ago”
CLEVELAND, Feb. 16 (A.A.P.) Dr. William S. Carlson, an Arctic expert, said to-night that the Polar icecaps were melting at an astonishing and unexplained rate and were threatening to swamp seaports by raising the ocean levels.
Leading Arctic expert from 1953
The glaciers of Norway and Alaska are only half the size they were 50 years age. The temperature around Spitsbergen has so modified that the sailing time has lengthened from three to eight months of the year,”
Leading Arctic expert from 1952
LONDON (A.P.).-The earth is getting warmer. The oceans are getting deeper. The glaciers are getting smaller. Even the fish are changing their way of life.
All this and more is going on because of a vast, unaccountable, century-by-century change, in climate. In his study at Bedford College in London, Britain’s distinguished geographer, Professor Gordon Manley, is worrying about it.
Dr. Ahlman urged the establishment of an international agency to study conditions on a global basis. Temperatures had risen 10 degrees since 1900. The navigable season along Western Spitzbergen now last- ed eight months instead of three.
Leading Arctic expert from 1947
it was concluded that near Polar temperatures are on an average six degrees higher than those registered by Nansen 40 years ago. Ice measurements were on an average only 6½ feet against from 9¼ to 13 feet.
The Norwegian, Captain Wiktor Arnesen, who has just returned from the Arctic, clains to have discovered an island 12 miles in circumference near the Franz Joseph Island, in latitude 80.40. He says that the island previously was hidden by an iceberg between 70 and 80 feet high, which has melted, showing the exceptional nature of the recent thawing in the Arctic.
The Courier-Mail Monday 6 May 1940
By far the largest number of local glaciers in north-east Greenland had receded very greatly during recent decades, and it would not be exaggerating to say that these glaciers were nearing a catastrophe.
InAlaska glaciers had been retreating from 100 to 200 years, the average rate of recession being about 50 feet a year. The Antarctic ice- sheet also showed signs of recent retreat.
“In fact,” said Professor Speight, “no case is recorded of a region of the world in which there are present signs of an advance.
The Sydney Morning Herald Friday 13 January 1939
Glacier Bay was first surveyed in detail in 1794 by a team from the H.M.S. Discovery, captained by George Vancouver. At the time the survey produced showed a mere indentation in the shoreline. That massive glacier was more than 4,000 feet thick in places, up to 20 miles wide, and extended more than 100 miles to the St. Elias mountain range.
By 1879, however, naturalist John Muir discovered that the ice had retreated more than 30 miles forming an actual bay. By 1916, the Grand Pacific Glacier – the main glacier credited with carving the bay – had melted back 60 miles to the head of what is now Tarr Inlet.
http://www.glacierbay.org/geography.html
Surely they can’t be right?
What things changing, sometimes dramatically and, well, nature and life, and polar bears just survived! Well I never! Who would have thought icecaps recede and not a polar bear in sight. How did they do it?
Maybe the agenda is jobs/cash for all those WWF folk.
Steve, while I immensely enjoy reading all of your stuff, along with an occasional Kevin bash, I must concede I am growing increasingly fatigued by the incredible stupidity of Kevin and those like him. Dare I say I am also losing my patience and civility towards them. They are costing my children’s future! And I am no longer amused! These sorts of people don’t seem to realize that they are going to be paying a huge price in the very near future for what they are doing now. You had better wake the F up there Kevin!
@Squidly:They are costing my children’s future!
Yeah. I hope they receive a better education than you received.
It is important that we not elect people sympathetic to the alarmist cause.
Doom! Doom! We can’t restrict DDT. Doom! Doom! We can’t restrict cigarettes. Doom! Doom! We can’t restrict CFCs. Doom! Doom!
Birds, especially those at the top of the foodchain (eagles, falcons, hawks) have seen a population boom since DDT was banned. Cigarette use has plummeted. Ozone depletion stabilized. And all the scary stories from the ultra-right on the disastrous effects never occurred. Oh drat. Damn facts.
Whatever happened to all those ‘scientists’ that told us DDT wasn’t destroying bird populations? How about the scientists that told us nicotine wasn’t hazardous? Or the ones that said CFCs weren’t responsible for ozone depletion?
You want scientific fraud? Look up any one of those corporate shills wearing a labcoat. Today their equivalent are working for your friends in the denialist camp. Wegman, Michaels, Soon, et al.
The affected industries may have changed, but the song remains the same. Instead of chemical and tobacco companies it’s the fossil fuel industry.
Now, without ever looking at a scientific paper who are you going to believe – a tenured university academic who studies the subject because he loves it and makes no more or less money regardless the result, or a company hack whose job/salary/bonus depends on the results?
Anthony watts get $90,000 from the Heartland Institute because he’s the best person to do the job or because they don’t want any more BEST results? And they know they can count on Anthony to give them the results they want?
I follow the facts. I believe in math. I would *prefer* that there be no dramatic climate changes for my children to have to deal with. I would be a miserable excuse for a parent (see Squidly) if I didn’t try to leave them a better world. Are we going to leave our children a better world?
I actually think the bigger problem (compared to climate change) is pseudo-estrogens, but you’d have to go to a *science* blog to learn about them.
Doom! Doom! They’re going to raise taxes. Yeah. If you talk about, but don’t understand the Laffer curve, you vote Republican. If you actually understand the Laffer curve, you vote Democratic (unless you have no social conscience – in which case you vote Republican anyways). Where exactly is that hyperinflation anyways? Where are those soaring interest rates and skyrocketing inflation? Isn’t that what was predicted by GOP economists if Obama’s stimulus plan was passed? Sort of reminds me of the Doom! Doom! they were all predicting if *Clinton’s* economic plan was passed. Gee, I can’t remember how that turned out. I’ll have to look it up.
They trust you’re stupid and have a feeble memory. Obviously their trust isn’t misplaced.
Whilst Australia and those sharing its longitudes are currently experiencing the initial stages of a One Solar/Earth Year ‘Dry’ Cycle, The longitudes from China westward, having already experienced this One Solar/Earth year ‘Dry’ Cycle, will (from now) progressively experience a Two Solar/Earth Year ‘Wet’/ Normal Period, which will in turn reach Australia in January 2013. (thirty degrees/month with the westward orbit of the Earth’s Magnetic Field.) This ‘Wet’/Normal Period will be followed by a severe Five Year ‘Dry’ cycle (drought) (affecting Australia 2015-19.)
Europe and North America are in for some severe precipitation events, especially if there is also accompanying explosive volcanic activity involved (albedo) ( eg Iceland.)
An exact calculative method (The Ratios Principle) for the identification and forecasting of these ‘Dry’ Cycles (and the interim ‘Wet’/Normal Periods,) was developed by Alex S Gaddes in his book ‘Tomorrow’s Weather’ (1990.) An updated version of this work (with ‘Dry’ Cycle forecasts to 2055) is available as a free pdf from [email protected]
Andy… What is with the “DC” next to your name?
Just wondering.
I was at the Jefferson Memorial this evening.
Brian,
I am a livelong resident of the Washington, DC area. Also have written (co-authored) a book called “Washington Weather” which is basically a history of weather for the DC area from recent years going back to Colonial times. If you are interested in obtaining a copy, please contact me at [email protected]. No charge.
Thanks Andy. Honestly, I figured you were a Democrat for some reason and I thought that’s what DC stands for. That might sound funny, but on a blog that probably has mostly republicans or Libertarians that’s why I was thinking that I guess.
Expert opinion in the historical record has to be ignored because it is not data that can be adjusted.
@SG: Do you want me to go through them point by point?
Meier: Yes, so what? The temperature at the HCO has nothing to do with today.
Captain Wiktor Arnesen? That’s the problem with old newspapers. Zero reference anywhere other than denialist sites. You’ve used this dozens of times, but you know nothing about this ‘discovery’ other than what’s in the link. *Nothing*
Carlson: Selectively quoting are we SG? From the same article, Dr Carlson said it would take hundreds of years for the melting to have much effect…” Dr Carlson would be *more* alarmed today than he was 60 years ago. Rather than ‘proof’ of your position, it contradicts your position.
Gordon Manley: Creator of the HadCET temperature record. Would be astounded at the changes that have taken place since he died. Spitzbergen is no longer open for shipping 3 or 6 months of the year – but virtually the entire year. Warming has accelerated in the arctic and Manley would recognize this. He is not ‘proof’ of your argument.
Professor Speight: Writing in 1939 said that Alaskan glaciers are retreating at 50 ft per year. Today the rate is much faster. The Columbia Glacier near Valdez in Prince William Sound has retreated 15 km (9.3 mi) in the last 25 years! Do the math SG; how many feet/year is that? more than 50? Duh! TWO THOUSAND feet/year?
More? Do you need more? All of your links amount to twaddle. You never actually read the articles or put it into context with what is known today. If you could find an old enough newspaper archive I’m sure you could find articles explaining why the earth is flat. Then you’d use that as ‘proof’. Loon.
@SG: You really ought to read the *SCIENCE* instead of old newspaper clippings … either that or rename the site *Real Newspaper Clippings*
For instance: http://www.igsoc.org/journal.old/39/133/igs_journal_vol39_issue133_pg619-624.pdf might give you a better idea of the retreat of the Grand Pacific glacier at Glacier Bay. Of course it doesn’t support your assertions – so why bother?
Ahh yes. More of the same tripe from OKneel. Can’t make either deduction or inference in the absence of a peer reviewed paper from JH.
Did JH write a paper on basic hygiene? If not I’d hate to think of what state you’re in.
Why don’t you go crawl under a rock and say a few “Our Hansens” as penance for visiting this denier website.
Creepy Old Eric!?!
Another gem of sweeping rhetorical discourse.
Have you started taking piano lessons yet?
If I do, will you do something more commensurate w/ your
talents? Like donating your body parts to a rendering plant?
Even Frogs make fun of them!