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Steve,
Drop me a note at the above e-mail, so we can converse.
George
Steve,
like the new look! Your site is now one of my daily forays, keep up the great work!
Dan,
Lets Go Viking!
Thanks!
Hey Steve, I've been following you and wuwt site since nov. 09, WOW is all I can say!! I've relearned stuff I remembered back from the 60's and 70's growing up in upstate NY, we've hit half our snow fall record already before dec. 21!! I never fell for this AGW stuff because "You can't fool with Mother Nature" is what I was taught. I love the way you and Watts sucker Sense S, Chris D and company!! LOL I e-mailed Joe Bastardi about how accurate I thought his forecasts were versus IPCC, he responded, Thanks, the rest is a lot of media hype about AGW Steve keep up the GREAT!! work, I applaud you!! Dave G PS I hope I did this right because I don't blog much
Thanks! Much appreciated.
Thanks for response Steve, Your very much respected in my view!! Dave G
Steve, being that I'm computer illiterate, how do I send you articles to the site
Just copy and paste from the browser address bar into your post.
Guess i'll have to have my daughter show me how to copy and paste LOL
guess I did it wrong because it went to mod.
Hi Steve,
great site, as above it is now part of my near daily climate related sites I visit. Do you have a short bio of yourself, most bloggers seem to and it is nice to get some idea about the person whos blog you are reading.
I'll be a regular visitor. Always enjoy your posts and your predictions!
Steve,
Anthony Watts mentioned your site, but I thought I was in the wrong place when I first landed in it. I know I'm in the right blog today.
If you can, please keep an eye on a perhaps lesser known angle of AGW politics, about those who seek to smear the skeptic scientists. My article at ClimateRealists, "Has the Mainstream Media Trusted Enviro-activists for Advice on Listening to Skeptic Scientists?" ( http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=6175 ) is a chronology of the smear as it relates to my other writings with several links at the end to my other articles & blogs about this situation.
What happens to AGW if there is not only no scientific consensus supporting it, but also no merit whatsoever to allegations that skeptic scientists are corrupt? What happens if the general public discovers those allegations are maybe the only thing the mainstream media has an an excuse for not balancing AGW reports with skeptic scientists' rebuttals over the last 15+ years?
Steven, leave Chelsea alone and get your teeth into this:-
"The truth is getting lost in the Amazon"
"A warmist coup seems to have taken place on Amazon, the online bookseller, writes Christopher Booker."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/amazon/7996…
Nice looking theme. Normally, the About page would be information regarding you, and the reason for the blog. Actually, you don't have to have an about page. Even so, if you keep it you can turn comments off and maintain it as a static page.
Please don't take this as being critical of the site. I am entering the business of using WordPress to fashion web sites for businesses. Besides being the best blogging platform around, WordPress makes a pretty good content management system.
Good luck on the blog. It is now in my favorites.
How does one contact mr. goddard? Do you have an email address or contact form someplace? Thanks.
Tom,
I sent you an E-mail with contact info.
Hi I really enjoyed this blog.
A friend of mine by the screen name of "bergeaux" referred me to this blog. I think it's great that dissenting opinions can be heard–they need to be. Just because a person has no formal training in science doesn't mean their opinions are worthless. In fact, even if the available information supports another argument, there needs to an outlet to make counterarguments. … I don't see any evidence of global warming.
–snip–
10% of nothing might be considered an overstatement of CO2.
If we go by the commonly accepted atmospheric makeup, greenhouse gases constitute 1 – 2% of the atmosphere. Of that 1 – 2%, 3.62% is CO2. 95% is water vapor and 1.38% other trace gases. Of the CO2, the human contribution of carbon is 3.4%.
Lets do the math: Assume 1.5% of atmosphere is greenhouse gas.
1.5 x .0362= .0543 (The amount of carbon in atmosphere.)
.0543 x .034 = .0018462% (The amount of manmade carbon in atmosphere.)
.0018462 x .2 = .00036924% (20% potential reduction of carbon.)
Remember, CO2 is a naturally occurring gas. Does any reasonable being support spending 100’s of billions of dollars and imposing dramatic, world wide job and industry crushing regulations on schemes that will have the overall potential of a net atmospheric reduction of 4 ten-thousandth of 1% ?
News tip about my own American Thinker article today – Science Czar John Holdren's renaming of 'global warming' prompts perhaps more scrutiny of the new name than he might prefer: "The Curious History of 'Global Climate Disruption' " http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/the_curiou…
Check this out about volcanoes, something seems not right?
Volcano quotes – the articles that are always quoted.
Did you know that Gerlach only based his estimate from measurements on 7 subaerial volcanoes and 3 hydrothermal sites? According to his estimate, between 25-33% of all mantle CO2 comes out of one single solitary volcano (Etna). However, Gerlach himself asserts that there is nowhere near enough information for a reliable estimate.
Maybe there is a volcanogate in there. Did you know that Gerlach only based his estimate from measurements on 7 subaerial volcanoes and 3 hydrothermal sites? According to his estimate, between 25-33% of all mantle CO2 comes out of one single solitary volcano (Etna). However, Gerlach himself asserts that there is nowhere near enough information for a reliable estimate.
The USGS subsequently added Kerrick (2001) and it seems that they’ve yet to discover the Morner & Etiope (2002) article that sets a value more than 5x Gerlach’s estimate as a bare minimum. The emphasis on this figure being a minimum is important, as a maximum figure is yet to be established from measurements.
http://gerlach1991.geologist-1011.mobi/
Gerlach
I have included the full text of Gerlach’s 1991 paper concerning volcanic carbon dioxide emissions because so few people who cite Gerlach’s work have actually read it. This is hardly surprising, considering that until now, this paper has not been available online. Contrary to the claims of Monbiot, the USGS, and many other authors, Gerlach (1991) includes no measurement-based carbon dioxide emission estimates of any submarine volcanoes, makes no attempt at modal representation, and Gerlach’s global volcanic emission estimate is based on carbon dioxide emission measurements taken from only seven subaerial volcanoes (Gerlach, 1991, §4, ¶1) and three hydrothermal vent sites (Gerlach, 1991, §3, ¶3). Yet the USGS (2010) stated that:
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts.
Dare I point out the fact that although a hydrothermal vent site might be one of many features of a submarine volcano, a hydrothermal vent site is most definitely not a submarine volcano. Notwithstanding such inconvenient details, suffice it to ask how seven subaerial volcanoes is roughly equal to three hydrothermal vent sites? This statement of the USGS (2010) may have something to do with the claim, put forward by Tony Jones, that the carbon dioxide emissions of submarine volcanoes are counted in the USGS figures:
Can I ask you a question about that, if you don’t mind? Because one British journalist whom you quoted those exact figures to went back to the US geological survey after you told him about this 85 per cent figure, and asked he them to confirm their claim that actually 130 times the amount of CO2 is produced by man than volcanoes. The volcanologist Dr Terrance Gerlach confirmed that figure and said furthermore that in their counting they count the undersea volcanoes. So your response to that.
Tony Jones
ABC Lateline
ISO:2009-Dec-15
“In their counting, they count the undersea volcanoes.” I wonder how this might be possible if no-one can quote the carbon dioxide emission for even one submarine volcano predating Tony Jones’ statement? There are certainly no submarine volcano emission estimates listed in Gerlach (1991), which up until April, 2010, was the sole source for the USGS claim. In spite of this, George Monbiot went on to say:
Yeah, sure. I mean, it’s, again, straightforward fabrication. Ian produces no new evidence to suggest that the USGS figures are wrong. He keeps citing this statement that they don’t include submarine volcanoes. It’s been pointed out to him many, many times that the USGS figures do include submarine volcanoes. And actually, it’s the height of bad manners Professor Plimer to lie on national television about something that you know to be plain wrong.
George Monbiot
ABC Lateline
ISO:2009-Dec-15
The facts of the ABC interview suggest that George Monbiot knows all about the various and diverse altitudes of “bad manners”. But more importantly, did he know the following? A measurement-based estimate of a hydrothermal vent site’s carbon dioxide emission is a completely different thing to a measurement-based estimate of a submarine volcano’s carbon dioxide emission. Although Gerlach (1991) does mention submarine volcanoes, there is not even one single submarine volcano’s carbon dioxide emission estimate in the entire paper. The point of republishing Gerlach (1991) is so you may verify this for yourself. This paper not only confirms Plimer’s (2009, p. 207) assertion that we do not measure the carbon dioxide emission of submarine volcanoes, it reveals a disturbing contrast between reality and the above-quoted statements of prominent and respected journalists such as Tony Jones and George Monbiot. Gerlach (1991), which is the putative academic source for the assertions of both Tony Jones’ and George Monbiot’s above-quoted statements, includes measurement-based carbon dioxide emission estimates of only seven subaerial volcanoes, three hydrothermal vent sites, and not one single solitary submarine volcano. Dare I ask if Jones or Monbiot actually bothered to check their sources? George Monbiot’s attack on the character of Australia’s best known geoscience professor on national television, hinges on the unavailability of Gerlach (1991) to the typical Lateline audience. This entire episode, regarding volcanic carbon dioxide emission, speaks to a conspicuous lack of caution in the assertions of those seeking to blame human beings for the cycles and seasons of climate.
Moreover, I draw your attention to Gerlach (1991, §1, ¶4) where Gerlach telegraph’s his emphasis on the fact that the data available at the time was woefully inadequate to a global estimate. Although Gerlach (1991, §3, ¶3) does mention some proxy measurements for mid oceanic-ridge degassing, he also demonstrates that these are nonetheless doubtful as the degree of fractionation remains unknown (Gerlach, 1991, §3, ¶4). About persistant submarine volcanoes, Gerlach (1991, §3, ¶1) asserts “There are no estimates for off-ridge volcanos”. In fact, Gerlach (1991, §6, ¶5) had sufficient foresight to caution his readers as follows:
The adequacy of seafloor spreading rates as a predictor of mid-plate volcano degassing rates is less clear, and it is possible that CO2 degassing at mid-plate volcanos is outside the conceptual framework of the current carbon cycle models. The high CO2 degassing rates for Mount Etna underscore the need to ensure that mid-plate volcano degassing is satisfactorily represented in models of the carbon geochemical cycle.
Although Gerlach’s foresight may seem prophetic, the large number of active seamounts had already been documented (Batiza, 1982), and even this figure was later found to be somewhat conservative with the latest estimate of submarine volcanoes standing at more than three million (Hillier & Watts, 2007 – See http://carbon-budget.geologist-1011.net for details). Moreover, it has been known for more than seven years now that the global volcanic carbon dioxide emission figures put forward by the USGS are long out of date and quite clearly wrong, as the figures of Morner & Etiope (2002) show. Perhaps, if not for Monbiot’s campaign of interruption, Professor Plimer might have been afforded the opportunity to cite sources such as Morner & Etiope (2002) and explain the empirical limitations of Gerlach’s study. The text of Gerlach (1991) would suggest that Monsieur Monbiot’s fraud allegations against Plimer, regarding the content and basis of Gerlach (1991), are specious and without foundation. Moreover, I challenge anyone taken in by those specious allegations to name so much as a single submarine seamount CO2 emission measurement in any of the peer-reviewed literature to date.
http://geologist-1011.mobi/
Guardian is peddling the same thing again http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/green-living-blog/2010/oct/07/carbon-footprint-volcano
They link to this page once again for USGS http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/about/hazard/gas/ and guess which article they once again quote to prove their volcano figures…..
Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes–the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)
Steve, is there an email address I can send some interesting things to? If yes, respond to the address above and put something in the subject to let me know it's you.
Good afternoon Steve
Down here in Australia it looks like we will have a carbon tax foisted on us by the rampant Greens party which has hijacked the minority Labor government. With their AGW delusions the Greens want to shut down fossil fuel power generation and stop coal and iron ore exports to China among others.
I’ve often wondered why we get our knickers in a twist regarding CO2 emissions … after all, Australian fossil fuel electricity accounts for only 1% of the global total in emissions. Every month China’s economy emits far more than we do in a year and by 2035 that will be down to a fortnight or less as China continues its modernization and raising the standard of living of its citizens.
Speaking of the Chinese citizen, a back of the envelope calculation tells me that in a year the Chinese exhale about 1.46 times the amount of CO2 Australia produces in a year by burning fossil fuel.
Humans exhale approximately a kilogram of CO2 a day. There are 1,500,000,000 Chinese and that is 1,500,000,000 kgs of CO2 pr day or 1,500,000 metric tons (there being 1000 kg in a metric ton). That is 547,500,000 metric tons a year.
Wikipedia tells me that in 2007 Australia’s fossil fuel use emitted only 374,054,000metric tons of CO2.
To me that puts Australia’s significance (or rather insignificance) into sharp relief … forcing me to change light bulbs and then pay double for so called Green Power will have absolutely no effect on global CO2 emissions and definitely no effect on climate.
Steve Woodman
Wingham Australia
Steve,
Thanks. Check this out : http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/10/24/the…
Steve,
I thought this might interest you even if it is a bit different that what you usually post. This isn't just libs going after libs (which is one of my favorite spectator sports), its a lib going after BO, and he's mostly right! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/no-…
Stimulus follies: $535 million down the drain in California in “green jobs”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_16517629?IADID
might be fun to see you go after romm's funders
snl skit about soros and sandlers:
http://patdollard.com//vids/snlbailout_384K.flv
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_…
"ClimateProgress.org
In addition, the Center publishes a daily global warming blog called Climate Progress.[9] Edited by climate and energy expert Joseph J. Romm….."
"Funding
The Center for American Progress is classified as a 501(c)(3) organization under U.S. Internal Revenue Code. The institute receives approximately $25 million per year in funding from a variety of sources, including individuals, foundations, and corporations, but it declines to release any information on the sources of its funding. No funders are listed on its website or in its Annual Report. From 2003 to 2007, the center received about $15 million in grants from 58 foundations. Major individual donors include George Soros, Peter Lewis, Steve Bing, and Herb and Marion Sandler. The Center receives undisclosed sums from corporate donors.[22]"
Sea level change, full psmsl dataset
I have been reading your posts on sea level change recorded by gauges, and wondered why noaa uses so few stations.
I went to the original data and made some tests. The global average trend since 1850 is just 0.3 mm/ year
There are obvious problems in the older datasets, and there is an additional uncertainty due to isostatic rebound in near polar territories that were heavily glaciated during the LGM. But even if one chooses only lower latitudes (45S to 45N) and only from 1945 to present (2009, last full year), the trend is 0.66 mm/year, with some oscillations, that makes a very unimpressive 6.6 cm in a century.
Here are some charts:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2189/msl.png
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8168/msl1945.p…
Below is the R code and the link to the data to produce those charts.
The curious thing about catastrophic sea level change is that it requires at least the full of the Greenland Ice Sheet to melt. Antarctica is more problematic as warming will probably increase ice volume there.
For the Greenland Ice Sheet to melt you need every imaginable feedback working in the same warming direction, and that, above all, means a very large increase in atmospheric water vapour. It has been estimated at about 0.41 kg/m^2 of water vapour increase per decade, that is 4.1 kg.m^2 in a century, which for a planet of surface area about 5.10072e+14 km^2 means an additional mass of water vapour to the atmosphere of 2.091295e+15 kg. Now, the Greenland Ice Sheet has an estimated mass of 2850000 cubic km, or 2.565e+15 kg of water.
Conclusion: In order to melt Greenland it is necessary to evaporate a similar amount of water into the atmosphere, thus the claimed resulting sea level violates the law of conservation of mass (you can not duplicate the mass of a melting ice cap, going both to the atmosphere and to the oceans)
Warning: these are back of envelope calculations, but I don't think it has been considered before, and I think they are about right
========== R code =============
# Download and unzip
# http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/rlr.annual.da…
# into a working directory
flist=read.csv('filelist.txt',sep=';')
names(flist)=c('id','lat','lon','name','ccode','scode','qflag')
# choose one for low latitudes
# indx=which(flist$lat >= (-45) & flist$lat = (-90) & flist$lat 0 )
lis.dat[[i]]$msl[[which(lis.dat[[i]]$year == n[m])]]
else
NA ))
# compute the means of all stations by year
myears.mean=rowMeans(myears,na.rm=T)
# 7000 [mm] is an arbitarry level used by the PSMSL RLR
# The RLR datum at each station is defined to be approximately 7000mm
# below mean sea level, with this arbitrary choice made many years ago in
# order to avoid negative numbers in the resulting RLR monthly and annual
# mean values.
plot(years,myears.mean-7000,'l',xlab='date',ylab='msl change [mm]',main='Global mean sea level change')
tr=lm(myears.mean-7000~years)
abline(tr)
abline(0,0,col=8)
legend(1945,-190,paste('Trend =',round(as.numeric(tr$coefficient[2]),2),'mm/year'))
# plot from 1945 to present. Earlier data have more quality problems
which(years == 1945)
length(years)
plot(years[96:160],myears.mean[96:160]-7000,'l',xlab='date',ylab='msl change [mm]',main='Global mean sea level change since 1945 from 45S to 45N')
tr=lm(myears.mean[96:160]-7000~years[96:160])
abline(tr)
abline(0,0,col=8)
legend(1945,35,paste('Trend =',round(as.numeric(tr$coefficient[2]),2),'mm/year'))
Oops
Wrong by a factor of 1000
Greenland ice mass is 2.565e+18 , so you only need to evaporate 1/1000 of that.
Charts and code are OK (and unrelated)
The code has long lines that are truncated in the post. I could put the whole version somewhere
Nearly ev. day you publish another chart showing how temp. records have been fudged upwards to show warming at individual sites. Can you pl. consider consolidating these into a complete folio — It would be most helpful in showing others what is being done by "scientists" at USHCN.
I read your comments with interest and agreement. Then I wondered if you are the Steve Goddard who went to Rice from 1957 to 1961. Please let me know.
Thanks, but not me. I went to graduate school at Rice several decades later.
Steve,
Saw this on Thinker today:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/how_soccer…
Your numbers for 4 Dec blew past real climate & climate progress for overall rank (Check out traffic stats / traffic rank … best seen when looking at trailing 7 days.)
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wattsupwiththat.com…
Steven ,
How far from Woodland Park are you ?
I find Steven Goddards in Peyton , Leadville , Dillon & Denver .
Marty Hertzberg is up in Copper Mountain . Howard Hayden down in Pueblo . And , of course , the departments up in Boulder and Fort Collins . There seems to be a quorum of us rationalists out here .
One of the first things I did when I moved out here to 2500 meters from a meter or so in Lower Manhattan was to do a "Mr Wizard" style black and white ping pong ball experiment in the Colorado sun to confirm that albedo per se makes no difference in equilibrium temperature : http://cosy.com/views/warm.htm#PingPong . Took me quite a while longer to understand how to calculate the temperature for any spectrum ball .
Let's get in touch .
About? There's nothing 'about' on this page. Who is Steve Goddard? We don't know. What are his credentials, and why does he hide them? We don't know. Doesn't inspire great confidence, Steve.
Try using your brain instead of appealing to authority.
What authority? If you undergo surgery, wouldn’t you want to know if the person holding the knife has done the trick before?
But Google is helpful and I think I found you, writing a story that debunks a scientific paper on arctic ice. The hitch is that you had to admit you were wrong.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/
That would be you?
I'm posting very simple concepts here with references to the source data. Either you understand them or you don't.
How do your readers know such source data even exist, then?
You do understand how Internet links work?
On other sites: yes. Your links don't seem to go anywhere. For example, where is that 'weird coincidence' graph from?
It is a conspiracy.
"Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you." – Kurt Cobain
OK, I know. You're just having fun. Evidence is over-rated anyway, don't you think?
Evidence is very important. That is why I provide links to the data.
No straight answers from you, that much is clear. Perhaps the fact that you removed the ‘weird coincidence’ graph is your way of admitting that the original data do not support the conclusions you drew from the graph?
Read the articles. I'm not repeating them here.
WHAT article? Your ‘weird coincidence’ graph doesn't link to any article.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, that's what I thought.
I expect Sense Seeker is talking about this article:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/wei…
Which has a graph, which hasn't disappeared, but is sourced from here:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
I'm guessing that because their graph changes daily, and you wanted the graph to remain true to the article title, you saved the image, yes?
Hey this guy was right!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCHi44Iv-g0&fe…
Here's an idea to cut down on emissions: shut down Vegas:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id…
Nothing new to us, but it's nice to see this:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/…
NASA acknowledging UHI:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id…
I have a nice quote for you: "The greatest threat to free enterprise is not Communism or the New Left but, rather, “respectable elements of society”—intellectuals, journalists, and scientists. To defeat them, business leaders need to wage a long-term, unified campaign to change public opinion." (Lewis Powell, 1971)
Maybe you could consider this as a new motto for your blog?
All cut from the same cloth.
Who? Intellectuals, journalists and scientists? Or radical free enterprise advocates?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/15/309…
Australia's Climate Change Dept has models predicting a low-end of 18mm/year sea-level change, 6 times the average for the 18 years of satellite data, which also shows the rate of sea-level rise declining over the last 8 years.
I guess if you go by models only, you get what you ask for.
Thanks for the link; I hadn't seen that article. Can I ask where the satellite data you refer to are?
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
Tide gauges paint an even worse picture for the alarmist cause, which is probably why they ignore them more than satellite data, and pay more attention to models, because they reflect reality a lot less.
funny… http://www.investors.com/EditorialCartoons/Cartoo…
Access the link below,
mark for temperatures,
choose Dec. 18th, 00:00 UTC,
zoom out,
move the map to see the NH,
and you will get a beautiful blue map of the current GW.
http://www.yr.no/place/North_Pole/Other/North_Pol…
(From the Norwegian Met. Inst.)
Steve, I worked for an oil company and the heat/cool degree day meter was our BIBLE for future deliveries, so today I started searching for trends since the 60's and came across Rob't Balling Jr. ASU, He has a chart from the 50's to 1995 that's LEVEL, very interesting!! but nothing after that? can't seem to find anyone else doing this trend after 2000. Do you know of anyone else running this trend to 2009?
Vehicles becoming all the rage in Europe and US..
http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/…
Fish and foul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqs1YXfdtGE
The Met Office didn't believe there was a storm coming, either. Fortunately they bought a Cray and didn't miss a major storm 3 years later. I guess it's either broken now, or it is a case of GIGO.
Steve, check this out….
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/…
Cold Caribbean – has been for nearly 2 months now.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/12/28…
For all the worshipper of consensus
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101…
That was worth the read. Thanks for the link!
Steve –
I really appreciate our website, your in-sight, and your droll sense of humor.
I'd be glad to send you a few bucks in appreciation. Send me a connection.
As a fellow Colorado-an in the Boulder valley, perhaps we ought to cross paths at a brew-pub some day.
From my geologist's point of view, I am continually amazed that so many people (supposedly educated, smart, etc.) in the sciences here are so incredibly STOOPID about earth history – just the last 200,000 years, e.g. Many, many facts show that nothing in the last 500 years is extraordinary or "unprecedented".
Why is this so difficult to explain?
I guess a calamity always makes a better story, eh?
Best regards for 2011.
Jim Cole
303-236-1417
Check it out…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12099928
Talk about eco-psycho:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,737451,00.html
Steve,
Here is the latest drivel from John Cook and his fellow CO2 hating friends:
The Scientific Guide to Global Warming Skepticism
http://www.skepticalscience.com/docs/Guide_to_Ske…
It was released just about 2 weeks ago.
The usual crowd of AGW morons are in it.Such as Dessler,Abraham (the one Monckton raked over),Mandia and other Warmist luminaries.
There are some very obvious errors in it.
Pathetic
Hi sunsettommy,
What are the “obvious errors” in the Scientific Guide to Global Warming Skepticism?
I am interested in getting them corrected.
Thanks,
Don McCubbin
Look at this story:
http://www.noharm.org/us_canada/news_hcwh/2011/jan/hcwh2011-01-11.php
They say “Greenhouse gases contribute to human morbidity and mortality in the same way that smog and soot pollution and other air toxins do.” What utter drivel. This is similar to the unfactual information put out during the California campaign to overturn their cap’n-trade law.
here is a story you might find useful – is sad to me but all too common
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_sc/us_sci_penguin_harm
“…survival rate of King penguins with metal bands on their flippers was 44 percent lower than those without bands and banded birds produced far fewer chicks…”
Have a look at the temperature curve in this story
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/hintergrund/wissenschaft/von_der_eisenzeit_bis_jetzt_1.9143256.html
The data shows that, according to tree rings, it was warmer several times in Western Europe than today, but the “adjusted” curve shows the hockey stick.
Another biological warmista nightmare report:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/frogs…
—————- to ——————————————- http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827903.50…
CO2 emissions in perspective:
http://bit.ly/tonsofcarbon
Bottom line: unless billions of people do the same things to reduce their “carbon footprint”, it’s not going to make much difference. Perhaps we can stopper some volcanoes, stop all flights worldwide or close down the internet.
Hi Dave N:
Actually one heretical thought to reduce CO2, CH4, and N2Ois for everyone to be a vegan.
Not very likely, but food for thought.
Best,
Don
Global warming gives George Clooney malaria, it turned into a mosquito!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/oneworld/20110124/wl_oneworld/63531667091295881159
So global warming is good after all.
Brisband floods before and after…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/infographics/qld-floods/beforeafter.htm
Plus, an oklahoma gun show…
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OQnU1t7UzgM
Holy crap! And the lefties get worked up about a shot gun up here in Canada. Wouldn't I love to have some of that stuff to go hunting the fish eating seals.
Steve, there's a great article on freerepublic.com "The Spotted Owl Hoax"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-grayson/ec…
huffpo is always good for a laugh or two. Making green birth-control choices…….the article is full of funny stuff and some not so funny. Clearly a misanthrope.
Steve, when you have time, read this.
John lays it out…….
Global Panic as Green Sector Collapses and Investors Face Ruin
Governments, investors and even the World Bank are rushing for the exits in the Great Escape from the green energy bubble.
Solar energy appears to be the worst affected sector so far. Dow Jones reports on a startling U-turn by Britain’s ultra-green government has caught investors off guard and shock waves across the markets will likely precipitate the further rush from green energy projects to shale gas.
The UK’s Department of Energy and Climate Change made the shock announcement as it revealed a comprehensive review of its Feed-in Tariff (FIT) program. Indications from data provider, Prequin are that over $1bn in earmarked funds may be lost as Britain now promises it will only hold tariffs until April 2012.
http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/30603.html
Perhaps some comments on the Antarctic base line (1979 – 20080 vs the arctic base line 1979 – 2000.
I note that minimum ice in the antarctic 80's is quite low compared to present. If the same base lines were used in both hemispheres, e.g. 1979 – 2000, there would be a massive +ve antarctic `summer' sea ice extent.
Someone is pretty inconsistent. Imagine what would happen if a 1979 – 2008 arctic sea ice extent base line was used…..
DARN…………. my bad, ignore above, they do use 1979 -2008 as arctic sea ice anomaly base.
Steve,
I cross posted this at WUWT T&N
Guess whose house President Obama visited tonight (Feb 17, 2011)?
Venture Capital guy John Doerr in SF.
Who is he? You’re not going to believe this!
Forbes Feb. 3 2011
“Gore joined the venture capital group Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Buyers in November 2007, whose key partner, John Doerr, has been pushing hard for biofuel subsidies.”
Isn’t that causing third world food prices to sky rocket?
http://blogs.forbes.com/larrybell/2011/02/03/how-…
Gore may be giving all his money to the nuns, but I doubt John Doerr is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXGkI-mw7Pw
It's soooo corrupt!
Are you on twitter?
Some great warmcold links from poster Jimbo at notrickszone if you should run out of material
http://notrickszone.com/2011/02/10/conference-ger…
A few things caused by global warming:
Warmer Northern Hemisphere winters due to global warming
Colder Northern Hemisphere winters due to global warming
Global warming to slow down the Earth’s rotation
Global warming to speed up the Earth’s rotation
North Atlantic Ocean has become less salty
North Atlantic Ocean has become more salty
Avalanches may increase
Avalanches may decrease
Plants move uphill due to global warming
Plants move downhill due to global warming
Monsoons to become drier in India
Monsoons to become wetter in India
Plankton blooms
Plankton decline
Reindeer thrive
Reindeer decline
Less snow in Great Lakes
More snow in Great Lakes
Gulf stream slows down
Gulf stream shows “small increase in flow“
San Francisco more foggy
San Francisco less foggy
Less winter snow for Britain
More winter snow for Britain
CHECK THIS OUT!! Wader birds are one of they many natural inhabitants of a peat bog
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/8333677/RSPB…
If run out of fun things to post, you can always go to Huffnpuff for a laugh. Today they have a great example of logic fail. First, they blather about a premise that fracking is causing earthquakes. Then they quote an "expert" referencing the Enola quakes as being "natural". And its only "possible" that the more recent ones are also natural. That's bad enough, but here's the funny quote, "We see no correlation between natural gas production wells and earthquakes, but we haven't ruled out injection wells," he said, adding that if production wells were the cause, the earthquakes would be scattered all over the region underlain by the Fayetteville Shale formation and not in just one area."
Apparently, Greenbrier and Guy are the only places on earth that have injection wells.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/guy-eart…
Hello Steve, and All,
Please see, http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/forums/thre…
particularly Post 4.
" I am purely an amateur, but I have an interest in what has happened to the "evolution" of the GISS GMT over time.
In particular at time, I would like to get hold of a GISS data set of monthly means from 1977 or just after.
ie, this but from back then, http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.T… "
" In short, do you have any old GISS data sets of monthly GMT please.
yours,
Derek Alker.
aka Derek at http://www.globalwarmingskeptics.info/forums/inde… "
Steve,
Here is an interesting one for you:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=15tXAAAAIBAJ…
Glacier retreat in Canadian Rockies at a rate of 100 feet per year, in 1949. CO2 was at ~ 330ppm. How is that possible?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=klRjAAAAIBAJ…
A quote from Thomas Jefferson about climate change: Priceless.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=iMYuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VNQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6066,4768002&dq=climate+change&hl=en
OK, I’ll stop now.
GMan
Wow, in 1936 they understood that climate changed naturally and that extreme events were part of natural cycles. Image what the headlines would be today, or the explanations by the "experts".
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lAIiAAAAIBAJ…
Sorry, this one is too rich: According to a famous Arctic Scientist, 2-degree increase in temps were observed over 17 years in the arctic in 1937. Wow, what is the trend? Oh and winter temps increased 5 degrees in 17 years. Glaciers retreating, etc…..this article has it all.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hANLAAAAIBAJ…
Great article about if there was a fundamental change in the climate going on 99 years ago. Gotta love the Standard Oil ad as well.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=q3JgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RHINAAAAIBAJ&pg=6674,4088437&dq=climate+change&hl=en
I find that page from the 1912 Flushing Daily very interesting . New Yorkers then must have felt on the cutting edge of modernism building new McMansions out in Queens , with electric subway links bringing MidTown just 15 minutes away , autos coming into use and the better establishments instantly reachable by telephone instead of having to spend a good bit of a day treking to them for any communication at all . Not to mention the latest designs in efficient room and central heating .
If you haven't seen this yet, this is an e-mail interview by Freeman Dyson by some dumbass journalist. The idiot blew it, pissed Dyson off and Dyson rather abruptly ended the Q&A.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-…
My take, ……
Dyson…… “we have seen great harm done to poor people around the world by the conversion of maize from a food crop to an energy crop.
Conner totally ignores that statement, but in his very next e-mail….Conner “it may be true that more people die from cold than heat, but how many die of drought and famine?”
Apparently, Conner thinks starving people while crops get turned to fuel is way better than potentially starving people from an imaginary famine.
Anyway, I thought it interesting.
Steven:
I have 2 waiting moderation and it may be due to using a different e-mail account. It is still me am transitioning from Elink!
Here's a little cycling exercise for you…
http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/24861/wowza+i…
I've been using my new iPad to access several climate-related sites, especially yours. It seems WordPress has "upgraded" their software for iPads, including an "Onswipe" plugin designed to jazz up the appearance of blogs on iPads, with swiping and menu buttons, etc. Over at WUWT, the articles are now inaccessible as choosing any article sends you to a Google ad, where you get stuck, going no farther.
On your blog, the first posting I tried to read this morning, "Catlin Team Faces -42C" has some kind of YouTube video that pops immediately onto the screen of the iPad. The video cannot be displayed (there's just a play symbol with a slash through it) nor can it be dismissed. It just floats over the article, blocking the text completely out. Other articles are viewable, but this new format really sucks. It's slow, unwieldy, and generally poorly thought out.
I'm writing blog authors as I come across examples of just how bad this new plugin is.
By the way, thanks for a great site. I make sure and visit several times a day.
Paul Maeder
Lol, Anthony has already done an article on this, but it would fit here quite nicely.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-03/ci…
And! As you can see, he's using the term "wetdry".
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/26/co2-causes-…
Communists prevailing in Kansas Courts.
Sierra Club continues to block jobs and cheap electricity for western KS, OK, and Colorado. $2.8 billion of private sector investment continues to be thwarted.
http://hutchnews.com/Latestlocalnews/Sierra-Club-…
EPA Whistleblower IceCap ^
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/05/bastardi-no…
The Joe's are reading your blog!
Forgot to mention the reliance on the PDO for his forecasts. Mentions it several times in relation to ENSO.
Explain no significant warming for 20 years
-10 – +160 east and 40 – 60 North
http://i56.tinypic.com/ohshms.gif
Alaska hasn't warmed from 1978 on.
Greenland has been warmer from 1930 – 1950.
The antarctic only got warmer at the peninsula.
Canada's temperature data is a mess.
Look at this
Norway: http://eklima.met.no/metno/trend/TAMA_G0_0_1000_N…
Finland: http://i55.tinypic.com/1174sb7.jpg
Spain: http://www.aemet.es/documentos/es/elclima/datos_c…
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/11/135320209/climate-c…
Hey Steve,
Get a load of this: http://creationcare.org/
a.k.a. http://www.whatwouldjesusdrive.org
Here’s a recent photo and a painting from 1888 of Port en bessin, (France).
Hard to believe it’s still there with all that sea level rise!
Port-en-Bessin, outer Harbour at high tide by Georges Seurat 1888
http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/georges-seurat/harbour-at-port-en-bessin-at-high-tide-1888
View of Port -en Bessin circa 2009
http://voyages.orange.fr/voyager-en-images/decouvrir-france/basse-normandie/voir-port-en-bessin-huppain-plusRecentes-39-87338.html
(probably low tide?)
View of Port -en Bessin circa 2005
http://www.la-basse-cour.co.uk/Pictures/Port-en-Bessin%20from%20above.jpg
Hi Marc:
It is a little hard to compare a painting and photos, but let's suppose we can. And let's say sea level is rising 2 mm/year. So, in 120 years we have about 240 mm, not quite 10 inches. This would be hard to spot.
By the way, here are some pretty decent articles on sea-level rise:
Nicholls & Cazenave, 2010
Church et al, 2008
Best regards,
Don
Hi Steve, winter melt coupled with big rain here in Southern Alberta is starting to cause flooding: never had a chance to get down to the Sheep River as we got back (my son just deployed to Afghanistan and flew out today), so its late, so tomorrow i'll go have a look see what flooding is happening here in Okotoks.
http://environment.alberta.ca/forecasting/advisor…
didn't know where or to e-mail this info….
Hi Steve,
Thank you for putting together your site. I appreciated the opportunity over the last couple of days to explore. You clearly care about what you do.
I am probably not going to post much more because the site is not really organized to focus on particular topics.
There are lots of posts — sometimes multiple posts on the same topic — giving the posts an ephemeral quality. In the last couple of days, there were at least three separate threads on sea-level rise. Some of the threads I responded to just yesterday are now buried, and it is nuisance to resurrect them. There is a checkbox to be notified about responses, this is good, but I seem to forget to check it.
A couple of gentle suggestions, and I emphasize gentle, as I know putting together a website is a ton of work.
You might categorize your posts, to help organize them — maybe use some sort of tagging system. Users interested in, say, sea-level rise would now where to look.
You might have fewer posts — save up your ammo on one topic and then blaze away — this is my preference. Associated with this, you might have your stated opinion on a particular topic that you could then update, expand on, etc as you get more info.
You might set things up so that users can find their own posts — I am not sure this is possible with the software you are using, but I am guessing it is.
In any case, thanks again. I wish you well.
Don
{expressions of sadness and contrition }
Jim
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Steven:
I have to change my name! 5 year old Granddaughter is coming out for 2 months and she gave me the name Grampy to which I added Grumpy as a prequel!
Mike Davis!
Just a thought for a head line..
Fed and Miami Heat have same refrain!!!!!
Just wait ’til next year!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/22/federal-reserve-lowers-economic-outlook-for-rest-year/
I left this at WUWT too…
The grey whales are upping their population and returning to old territory. So is a particular species of algae, that may or may not have disappeared in the northern hemisphere in the past. It is, of course, all because of global warming.
Oh, and apparently the Northwest Passage is open again.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/169740/20110626/gray-whale-algae-atlantic-northwest-passage.htm
Hi Steve
Here's an interesting one… Eskimos invade Scotland! http://www.climate4you.com/ClimateAndHistory%2017… Inuit invation of Scotland
Best
Ferret
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/06/coca-colas-gre…
Says it all, really.
I'm sure you saw this, know about, and are likely part of it, but just in case: Fred Singer is speaking at CSU Jul 18
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/11/weekly-clim…
Cool, thanks
The "Green House Gas Theory" appears to have been destroyed.
Experiment on the Cause of Real Greenhouses’ Effect – Repeatability of Prof. Robert W. Wood’s experiment
(Article by Nasif S. Nahle)
GENERAL CONCLUSIONS:
The greenhouse effect inside greenhouses is due to the blockage of convective heat transfer with the environment and it is not related, neither obeys, to any kind of “trapped” radiation. Therefore, the greenhouse effect does not exist as it is described in many didactic books and articles.
The experiment performed by Prof. Robert W. Wood in 1909 is absolutely valid and systematically repeatable.
In average, the blockage of convective heat transfer with the surroundings causes an increase of temperature inside the greenhouses of 10.03 °C with respect to the surroundings temperature.
http://www.biocab.org/Wood_Experiment_Repeated.ht…
The University of Montana wanted to install a woody biomass boiler to reduce it’s carbon footprint, but the “Alliance for Lunatics” says the boiler will contribute to global warming.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_a177667c-b1bb-11e0-8354-001cc4c002e0.html
Terror attack in norway!
Seems like the muslims did it..
I think I managed to drop a post in the spam bucket with an inappropriate description.
Polar bear kills one teenager and mauls 4 others on Svalbard. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14415592
This is a very good neutral piece of reporting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14467849
A piece of reporting should give you the flavour of the moment alongside some background information you were not aware of and so increases your knowledge.
This does this in spades in my opinion.
Andy
Here is the caption for a photo which is 20th in a series in the article: "http://www.metronews.ca/edmonton/world/article/943388–in-pictures-atop-two-miles-of-ice-researchers-study-climate-change"
"The main building at Summit Station, a remote research site situated 10,500 feet above sea level. The structure is periodically jacked up on its support columns to stay above accumulating snow. "
I cannot figure out how to get the individual photo copied, but the irony is incredible. The building has to be jacked up to stay above the rapidly melting Greenland Icecap. I hope you can use this.
Steve, the latest about ice in Greenland – Record attempts in the north stopped: ‘Einar’ is bumped into a wall of ice http://goo.gl/R6Bvb
City in Virginia gets hit with an earthquake. Hurricane about to come ashore on east coast. We must have passed a tipping point. CO2 is causing chaos to break out all over the Atlantic coast.
Test
Great new site Steve! I’d have sent you my best sooner but I’m in the middle of moving and My network connection will not be up and running until next Friday so I have limited access.
So all the very best until then.
Steve,
been wondering when you would get own domain. Very nice! Hard to believe I’ve read your site twice a day for a year…keep up the great work!
LetsGoViking
Steve – can you get rid of the subscribe to newsletter popup before it drives me mad?
Some of us run with history and cookies off (I have a touching faith in the goodness of mankind) and the site thinks such as I are new visitors every time.
Note on WordPress the software uses IP address to assign the commentator icons, which is non volatile.
I suggest you move the ‘subscribe’ message to a clickable ico on the RHS up near the top somewhere.
I forwarded to my admin, thanks.
Thanks, Steve.
I found a fun Icon for you:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/entertainment_75_years_of_mickey_mouse_/html/7.stm
Here is some shocking news you might want to read:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/scientists-trace-heat-wave-to-massive-star-at-cent,21088/
Please keep the Dorothy/Toto image. I love that graphic. And, it works on so many intellectual levels… thereby keeping out the rather pedestrian drive-bys. Aloha.
Cloud variations and the Earth’s energy budget
A.E. Dessler
Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences
Texas A&M University
College Station, TX
“Abstract: The question of whether clouds are the cause of surface temperature changes, rather than acting as a feedback in response to those temperature changes, is explored using data obtained between 2000 and 2010. An energy budget calculation shows that the energy trapped by clouds accounts for little of the observed climate variations. And observations of the lagged response of top-of-atmosphere (TOA) energy fluxes to surface temperature variations are not evidence that clouds are causing climate change.”
Talk about an Aggie Joke! Sure clouds are a response to CO2 forcing. The cool I feel when the sun goes behind a cloud does not cause the surface to cool, no, that is an illusion that can only be explained by a GCM run by Trenberth’s mafia.
I just found this and was trying to figure out what the concentration of CO2 would have to be to sicken people?
http://news.yahoo.com/carbon-dioxide-leak-blamed-death-mcdonalds-georgia-223950351.html
It has got to be really high.
But then any gas out of balance in the atmosphere will cause problems especially in enclosed spaces. I had training for using a meter to test the air in enclosed spaces for hazardous level of gasses but CO2 was not one of them! Of course that was close to twenty years ago!
Mike, that is why there is an Oxygen sensor on the Atmospheric Meters, it measures the oxygen depleted atomsphere, plus an oxygen rich atomsphere, it also works inconjunction with the flame arresting sensor to tell you the LEL and UEL for explosive atomspheres The reason CO2 isn’t on the meter is because you would suffer the effects from lack of oxygen before CO2 has any hazardous effect. But they do include a CO sensor and an H2S sensor as those are very toxic and can acculumiate in the body over time from short term exposure.
I found this:
What levels of CO2 are considered safe?
Carbon dioxide is not generally found at hazardous levels in indoor environments. The MNDOLI has set workplace safety standards of 10,000 ppm for an 8-hour period and 30,000 ppm for a 15 minute period. This means the average concentration over an 8-hour period should not exceed 10,000 ppm and the average concentration over a 15 minute period should not exceed 30,000 ppm. It is unusual to find such continuously high levels indoors and extremely rare in non-industrial workplaces. These standards were developed for healthy working adults and may not be appropriate for sensitive populations, such as children and the elderly. MDH is not aware of lower standards developed for the general public that would be protective of sensitive individuals.
What are the health effects of CO2 poisoning?
Occupants may experience health effects in buildings where CO2 is elevated, but the symptoms are usually due to the other contaminants in the air that also build up as a result of insufficient ventilation. At high levels, the carbon dioxide itself can cause headache, dizziness, nausea and other symptoms. This could occur when exposed to levels above 5,000 ppm for many hours. At even higher levels of CO2 can cause asphyxiation as it replaces oxygen in the blood-exposure to concentrations around 40,000 ppm is immediately dangerous to life and health. CO2 poisoning, however, is very rare.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/indoorair/co2/index.html
There had to have been absolutely no ventilation in that bathroom!
Mike D, all you have to do is search online using “MSDS for CO2″.
http://apps.risd.edu/envirohealth_msds/CO2.pdf
Check out page 2, INHALATION EFFECTS:
Steve, I don’t know how much you keep up with WUWT, but I saw something that may pique your interest….. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/22/where-is-science/#comments
Maybe over the weekend you can renew your posit about the Ideal Gas Law?
Just thought you might be interested.
Steve, you need to check this out!!
The Secret Gov’t Bank That’s Financing More Solyndras
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/09/28/government-bank-financing-more-solyndras/?test=latestnews#ixzz1ZIHAkGE4
Briefly….. ….. this is basically the post I put up on my blog…..
KPMG is an audit company, one of the world’s leading audit companies. They’ve finished auditing the FFB. What’s the FFB? It’s the Federal Financing Bank, of course. What does it do? Well, among many things, it issues loans and buys bad loans in the form of bonds. It has no congressional oversight and is backed by the U.S. taxpayers. It holds no reserves for defaults and apparently collects the low interest on their loans at their own discretion. It was the institution that gave Solyndra the 1/2 billion. Well, more than that, in fact, they gave Solyndra an extra $3 million a month before they decided to go belly up.
Oh, btw, they’re “lending” a company called BrightSource $485 million via a subsidiary called Solar Partners. BrightSource lost $45 million in 2008, $44 million in 2009, and $72 million in 2010. Want to take any bets on how much the tax payers will see of that other $1/2 billion? Before you answer that, you might want to know who the backers are…….. well other than you and me. Solar Partners is an apt name……. backers include, Google, Chevron, Morgan Stanley, and BP, among others. Now we know why us bloggers aren’t getting any of that big oil money. They’re giving it to the greens. Oh, BrightSource is that company that’s putting that huge solar array out there in Cali. You know, that one that destroyed some turtle’s hab
Barney Frank today said he will not seek re-election, having been gerrymandered out of his district.
He is expected to announce that he will pursue new horizons as an assistant football coach.
Milwaukee’s climate has been getting wetter over last 60 years
By Don Behm of the Journal Sentinel
Nov. 25, 2011
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/milwaukees-climate-has-been-getting-wetter-over-last-60-years-co35kbo-134519658.html
Any chance you could do a post on this rubbish? A couple of highlights:
“And more precipitation in winter months will be falling as rain, reducing the length of Milwaukee’s snow season to about 30 days, Vavrus said.
A white Christmas could be the stuff of dreams.
Weather records tell the story up to now: Five of the 10 wettest days recorded since 1871 occurred in the last 15 years.”
About the projections
“The regional climate models start with global models prepared by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007.”
“The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change generally is considered the most authoritative source for calculating the relationship between rising levels of carbon dioxide and changes in climate.
Vavrus calls the panel’s work “the gold standard” for climate science.”
I hope you can address this if you have time.
Thank you!
I am changing my e-mail address.