OLD FARMS EXPOSED : Greenland’s Ice is melting and the ruins of mediaeval farm-houses hidden by ice for centuries have already been exposed. In Spitsbergen the mean annual temperature has risen by four degrees since 1912. Ships ply the White Sea and The Gulf of Bothnia three or four weeks longer than they used to. In Iceland and the higher latitudes of Norway farmers are growing barley in soil that was once frozen for seven months each year. But the coming of the new climate is more noticeable, above the world’s snow lines. Glaciers present the most striking evidence . The American geographer, F. E. Matthes, has reported that ‘glaciers in nearly all parts of the world receded regularly during the last 60 years, but especially rapidly during the 1930-40 decade.’
GLACIERS SHRINKING : All glaciers examined from Green land through Scandinavia to Europe are shrinking. And the shrinkage is not limited to high latitudes. Some glaciers in the European Alps have vanished completely. In East Africa, the glaciers on three high volcanoes— Kilimanjaro, Mt. Kenya and Ruwenzori — have been diminishing since they were first observed in 1880. The vast Muir Glacier in Alaska’s Glacier Bay has retreated a full 14 miles’ since 1902.
…and twenty years before that:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23150667?
~21 July 1932
“1951 Article Blows Away The Hockey Stick ”
Not sure why you think that is. Most hockey stick type graphs, including Mann’s show warming start around 1900. Why wouldn’t there be signs of melting by 1951?
Temperatures in Iceland fell sharply in the 60′s and 70′s and have now only just got back to the level of the 40′s. Funny shaped hockey stick.
Odd thing to say. Hockey Sticks are usually a representation of global temperatures not a single country. But your source that claims Icelandic temperatures and at the level of the 1940s seems false.
http://en.vedur.is/climatology/clim/nr/1213
Where did you get it from?
Must be hard to type from the kitchen.
I guess James Hansen knows more about Iceland’s weather than the people who live there.
I guess James Hansen knows more about the weather of the 1940s than the people who lived back then.
Hey, this stuff is easy!
Oh dear, Laz.
You really must pay attention. This is from the Icelandic Meteoroligcal Office. I think they probably know what they are talking about.
Also note. The temperatures have been steadily rising since 1800, not 1900.
Paul Homewood says:
” This is from the Icelandic Meteoroligcal Office. I think they probably know what they are talking about.”
I would think so too. They do not record temps in the 40s being the same as this decade. So I’m at a loss to understand what you mean.
Laz
2003 is slightly higher than the 1940′s, but the average of the 40′s is about the same as 2001-10. (Don’t forget temperatures have fallen sharply since they peaked in 2003)
I have asked them for the actual numbers to work out exactly.
The real point though is that GISS’s revised temperatures are much higher for the last decade. This is obvious when you look at 2003, which according to GISS is a full degree warmer than anything before. This is clearly nonsense for Reykjavik and also Akureyri.
Equally the 7 year running means for 1963 and 2003 tell the same story.
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/giss-making-up-fictitious-temperatures-in-iceland/#more-615
So, you’re saying that individual years don’t have a 1:1 correspondence? I guess that means ______?
a) Gorege Bsuh!
b) It’s not at GISSS!
c) I’m at a loss to understand what you mean.
A Mann walks into a Forrest.
Aha! Lord of the (Tree) Rings!
Comes out with an hockey stick and says:
To which the Forrest replies:
I think this is what he would have said to Steve McIntyre:
And then leave singing:
Keep in mind that just because we’re wrong about every single individual temperature record, the Hockey Stick is still valid.
Oh, and we never said the Hockey Stick was valid. But it is.
And James Hansen never retroactively adjusts data to fit his political views.
” If, as Bryson records, it has happened in the past that conditions have gone from an inter-glacial stage like the present, to full glacial conditions in less than 100 years. it becomes obvious that if (excluding man’s activities other than the production of carbon dioxide) any tendency towards global cooling is in evidence, such as a short-fall in solar output and/or expanding deserts (including their attendant wind-blown dust) or the dust from explosive volcanoes; and man’s negative activities are added to the equation, it becomes very likely that there will be a continuation of the cooling which began in the 1940′s, in spite of the added factor of excess carbon dioxide.” (Alex S. Gaddes, ‘Tomorrow’s Weather’ 1990. pp 53-54)
An updated version of this work (with ‘Dry’ Cycle forecasts to 2055 ) is available as a free pdf from [email protected]
The temperature anomaly record clearly shows temperatures increasing from around 1900, and especially during the 1940s, so it’s not surprising that they would have seen climate affects and diminishing glaciers in 1951. If anything this article reinforces what is known to be happening.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
ROFLMAO
http://www.real-science.com/giss-crock
Laz, I’m interested why you said
“But your source that claims Icelandic temperatures are at the level of the 1940s seems false.”
Are you really that surprised?
Paul
Because according to the Icelandic Meteoroligcal Office it does appear to be false.
I can’t be exact without the actual numbers, but it is clear from the graph that the 1940′s were similar to the last decade.
I can be specific about the 7 year averages up to 1963 and 2003 though for Reykjavik (2003 being the warmest year)
According to GISS they are :-
1963 5.45C
2003 6.18C.
The Iceland Met graph gives 2003 being only about 0.1C warmer. We also know a succession of years around 1941 were warmer than 1963.
“Don’t scoff when you hear an oldtimer say…”
(snort!) Oldtimers, what do they know? I, mean, like, you know… where have they been? Never trust anyone over 30.